idk, it could engage the community more. They're not needed; I just said they could be nice, instead of just having this thing there people can't respond to.
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Maybe I'm just bitter from having my page deleted last night, but what doesn't help is having your page deleted for a rule that doesn't seem to exist. It really doesn't help you feel part of the community.
> If you had read the rules and guidelines you'd know you're not supposed to mark your own ""article"" as Needing Work.
I screenshotted the rules last night before making the article, and there's nothing in there that I can see that references that "rule"
IMO even if it is a rule, it's a pretty dumb one. If no-one is making articles and you decide to help out the wiki by making a new article but you think it needs additional work, why shouldn't you be able to tag it yourself? Every other Wiki lets to do that.
Maybe I'm just bitter from having my page deleted last night, but what doesn't help is having your page deleted for a rule that doesn't seem to exist. It really doesn't help you feel part of the community.
> If you had read the rules and guidelines you'd know you're not supposed to mark your own ""article"" as Needing Work.
I screenshotted the rules last night before making the article, and there's nothing in there that I can see that references that "rule"
IMO even if it is a rule, it's a pretty dumb one. If no-one is making articles and you decide to help out the wiki by making a new article but you think it needs additional work, why shouldn't you be able to tag it yourself? Every other Wiki lets to do that.
The whole idea of not tagging your article as "needing work" is to show that the article is, to the best of your ability, complete. If we had a bunch of incomplete articles laying around, no one would want to read the wiki at all.
Yes, that rule isn't explicitly stated, but it is heavily implied. We here at the wiki want complete articles and if the admins see plagiarism or other blatant disregard for the rules, they will delete your article.
If you want to try again, you can ask one of the admins to give you the text of the article.
Also, people have articles planned, but most of them are taking the time to make sure the article is extremely good and not rushing through articles just to get more articles out there. And they especially aren't tagging their own articles as "needing work" because they shouldn't be needing work. They should be complete to the best of your ability. If you know it's not finished, don't publish it.
Last Edit: Apr 18, 2018 11:55:56 GMT by Terry the Cat
Maybe I'm just bitter from having my page deleted last night, but what doesn't help is having your page deleted for a rule that doesn't seem to exist. It really doesn't help you feel part of the community.
> If you had read the rules and guidelines you'd know you're not supposed to mark your own ""article"" as Needing Work.
I screenshotted the rules last night before making the article, and there's nothing in there that I can see that references that "rule"
IMO even if it is a rule, it's a pretty dumb one. If no-one is making articles and you decide to help out the wiki by making a new article but you think it needs additional work, why shouldn't you be able to tag it yourself? Every other Wiki lets to do that.
The whole idea of not tagging your article as "needing work" is to show that the article is, to the best of your ability, complete. If we had a bunch of incomplete articles laying around, no one would want to read the wiki at all.
Yes, that rule isn't explicitly stated, but it is heavily implied. We here at the wiki want complete articles and if the admins see plagiarism or other blatant disregard for the rules, they will delete your article.
If you want to try again, you can ask one of the admins to give you the text of the article.
Also, people have articles planned, but most of them are taking the time to make sure the article is extremely good and not rushing through articles just to get more articles out there. And they especially aren't tagging their own articles as "needing work" because they shouldn't be needing work. They should be complete to the best of your ability. If you know it's not finished, don't publish it.
It's alright, I'll just type it up again. It was complete article with sources. Normally on a Wiki that I'm new too, if there's an option of tagging something with "needing work" or "stub" or whatever, I tag the article with it just so it gets peoples attention so people can check it over and approve it for the site. Maybe we need some sort of admin check tag for that purpose.
The whole idea of not tagging your article as "needing work" is to show that the article is, to the best of your ability, complete. If we had a bunch of incomplete articles laying around, no one would want to read the wiki at all.
Yes, that rule isn't explicitly stated, but it is heavily implied. We here at the wiki want complete articles and if the admins see plagiarism or other blatant disregard for the rules, they will delete your article.
If you want to try again, you can ask one of the admins to give you the text of the article.
Also, people have articles planned, but most of them are taking the time to make sure the article is extremely good and not rushing through articles just to get more articles out there. And they especially aren't tagging their own articles as "needing work" because they shouldn't be needing work. They should be complete to the best of your ability. If you know it's not finished, don't publish it.
It's alright, I'll just type it up again. It was complete article with sources. Normally on a Wiki that I'm new too, if there's an option of tagging something with "needing work" or "stub" or whatever, I tag the article with it just so it gets peoples attention so people can check it over and approve it for the site. Maybe we need some sort of admin check tag for that purpose.
People will end up looking over new pages and checking that everything's fine anyway, not even just the admins. Our wiki doesn't have as much a need for admin check, and if you need help with something, you can ask for it on the forums. Also, if you contact an admin, they can restore the page or give you what you'd written.
4. You've should've quoted the posts that warranted your response, then.
omg, because this is really that important. Get a life dude.
I'm just saying that if you desperately wanted to connect your insight to the current matter of discussion, then you should have done it more efficiently. Also, the ending comment is unnecessarily hostile.
Deletion may have been a bit harsh in this case but FWIW it pretty much is stated in the rules:
Please do not post incomplete articles; if it's not finished, save the incomplete article code to your computer and post it when it's finished. By all means, use the site's page creator to test your code's functionality via the preview button, but don't actually publish it until it's complete.
By tagging your own article as needing work, you admit that you think there's more you should have done with it, i.e. that it's not finished. In this case, I don't think lack of content alone was severe enough to warrant outright deletion, but especially with lack of references... if you're the one who wrote it, there's no reason you can't tell us where the information came from. People shouldn't have to reverse-engineer your research for you.
The goal here is quality over quantity. I'd rather have 3 thorough articles than 10 needing-work ones. Though there are many people who are willing to help fix up articles, we've seen that we can't get to everything, as the backlog of articles in need of work is continuously growing. So seeing people tag their own articles as needing work, not only does it make that list grow even faster, but it also comes off as "here, fix this for me", even if that's not what was intended.
But the rewritten version you posted is much better and there aren't any issues with it, so I guess you know that by now. Hope this helps anyways, and sorry for the inconvenience.
I think of lost media as this niche thing young adults and over would be interested in, not 13-below kids.
To quote an observation Ryanskip once made, lost media attracts a lot of autists, a group majorly composed of young kids; that has both highs and lows. One thing to note is that it's quite common for someone on the autism spectrum to be talented in certain areas whereas they aren't in others. The areas include academic fields such as language arts. These autists hold more knowledge than their peers and can produce articles of higher quality than most can. Then again, language arts isn't always their field of expertise and won't always be the ones to be featured.
Take it from me, I've read quite a bit about the subject, in addition to having asperger's and being essentially in love with language arts.
I think of lost media as this niche thing young adults and over would be interested in, not 13-below kids.
To quote an observation Ryanskip once made, lost media attracts a lot of autists, a group majorly composed of young kids; that has both highs and lows. One thing to note is that it's quite common for someone on the autism spectrum to be talented in certain areas whereas they aren't in others. The areas include academic fields such as language arts. These autists hold more knowledge than their peers and can produce articles of higher quality than most can. Then again, language arts isn't always their field of expertise and won't always be the ones to be featured.
Take it from me, I've read quite a bit about the subject, in addition to having asperger's and being essentially in love with language arts.
I was actually born with mild autism and my peers at school and family has repeatedly told me in real-life that it's nothing to be ashamed of. Despite me being 19 years old at the time of me writing this post, I often feel like I'm 10 years younger because I still share some of the same beliefs I had as a kid, including an optimistic outlook on life (which is reflected down on my signature at the end of my forum posts), I still enjoy most of the stuff from my childhood, and still play family-friendly video games because it's what I grew up with. I'm glad to have a family and group of peers who understand what it's like to be autistic and have come up with strategies for me to follow, like looking at a person's shoulders if I don't want to look into the eyes of the person speaking to me.
I would actually credit the Lost Media Wiki for getting me back into stuff I loved in my childhood, such as the 3D Groove article made me shocked that not all of their games were preserved and I didn't even know that the company went defunct in 2009. I played many of their games back in the day and to see that some of their games that I played back in the day are now gone made me sad.
I don't actually care about any of the user's ages, as I believe they should be able to post high quality articles of something they enjoyed or wanted an article on for years (as long as it follows the wiki's Rules, Guidelines and Tips). I also don't care about my articles not being featured as I can understand why my articles won't be featured on the main page (but it would be neat if they did) and I believe that everyone deserves a chance to shine and I can at least have a small part in helping to make the featured articles look good.
Despite the frustrations of normal day life we go through, the best thing to do about it is still being happy for our friends and family.
To quote an observation Ryanskip once made, lost media attracts a lot of autists, a group majorly composed of young kids; that has both highs and lows. One thing to note is that it's quite common for someone on the autism spectrum to be talented in certain areas whereas they aren't in others. The areas include academic fields such as language arts. These autists hold more knowledge than their peers and can produce articles of higher quality than most can. Then again, language arts isn't always their field of expertise and won't always be the ones to be featured.
Take it from me, I've read quite a bit about the subject, in addition to having asperger's and being essentially in love with language arts.
I was actually born with mild autism and my peers at school and family has repeatedly told me in real-life that it's nothing to be ashamed of. Despite me being 19 years old at the time of me writing this post, I often feel like I'm 10 years younger because I still share some of the same beliefs I had as a kid, including an optimistic outlook on life (which is reflected down on my signature at the end of my forum posts), I still enjoy most of the stuff from my childhood, and still play family-friendly video games because it's what I grew up with. I'm glad to have a family and group of peers who understand what it's like to be autistic and have come up with strategies for me to follow, like looking at a person's shoulders if I don't want to look into the eyes of the person speaking to me.
I would actually credit the Lost Media Wiki for getting me back into stuff I loved in my childhood, such as the 3D Groove article made me shocked that not all of their games were preserved and I didn't even know that the company went defunct in 2009. I played many of their games back in the day and to see that some of their games that I played back in the day are now gone made me sad.
I don't actually care about any of the user's ages, as I believe they should be able to post high quality articles of something they enjoyed or wanted an article on for years (as long as it follows the wiki's Rules, Guidelines and Tips). I also don't care about my articles not being featured as I can understand why my articles won't be featured on the main page (but it would be neat if they did) and I believe that everyone deserves a chance to shine and I can at least have a small part in helping to make the featured articles look good.
This revelation actually doesn't come as much of a surprise for me. Many well respected members are on the spectrum.
Also, what I was intending to communicate with my statement about the featured articles is that the autists won't always be the ones to make 'premium' content. The ones that are capable execute it most admirably.
I never saw autism as a issue in the community. In fact many of the greatest articles and contributions come from those somewhere on the spectrum. I personally don't have it and I don't think a lot of people into lost media have it so I might not know how it entirely effects a person.
I always found the problem to be little kids, and it is pretty obvious when the contributor is a little kid. They will not follow any sort of guidelines, put very little effort in their articles and the focus is always on children's media. The Lost Media Archive is what happens when you allow these contributors to go unchecked. Of course nothing is wrong with focusing on media originally targeted to kids, my first article was on a 80s Disney educational series after all and Happy Brian focuses on Disney and does a amazing job at it. But when something that would contribute a huge impact to society like Shakespeare's lost Cardenio doesn't have a article but 20 forum pages are kids trying to find Roblox and Minecraft files while screaming at each other it's pretty obvious how old they are and how that negatively effects the community. You cannot look at the chatbox and say that those are not little kids, that's what people who first come here see and it's embarrassing in many regards. In many ways I think it would be beneficial if the age limit was bumped up and those people all moved to the LMA to happily edit as their heart desired.
Petition to rename the Lost Media Wiki into the random shows I remember from Treehouse TV forum
Post by dogpolygonrt66 on May 9, 2018 17:54:09 GMT
Yeah, I've been noticing the forums get a lot less active over all in the past couple months, especially the chatango sidebar. We really gained traction during stuff like the cracks search, (somewhat with) the sid the science kid behind-the-scenes episode, clockman, and especially A day with spongebob, though it seems we hit our peak with that one especially, despite it being so long ago. Despite attracting so many people with each of these events, few of them seem to stay.
With all due respect to the OP admin, an important thing to mention here is that Discord users are part of the more modern internet, as forums have struggled to keep up with the changes. So the fact that most of what they said applies to the Discord users doesn't surprise me.
You have two very different types of online users here. I have been going to the wiki since 2015 and it has improved from the perspective of someone like me who completely focused on the content coming from there. I feel this site is better than it ever was, and it will probably only continue to improve at this rate.
Discord is very modern internet, it's nature is memes, shitposting and other such things, and as time goes on forums will have to figure out how to adapt to this new breed of users if they want to continue to grow.
