Post by darkretro1987 on Sept 2, 2023 21:22:04 GMT
Tapesignal, I browsed through this whole long thread with bits and pieces, too much for me to read right now so I joined the topic in progress. I am still very new to the community but have studied Christine’s story for a very long time in my own personal way. I wouldn’t claim to know more though, I have only done my own rooting around, I am not the type who contacts anyone close to the event.
Yeah, I wouldn’t contact him either like I said. He’s not going to budge, that is the impression I got in some interview I saw him do, it might’ve been that segment of the WXLT (whatever they are called now) when they had some anniversary show. The segment touched on Christine’s story but also glossed through it relatively fast in my opinion.
I disagree with Newman too and already stated my thoughts about that earlier.
You have something on the cautionary tale aspect. People with those dark thoughts of self harm usually don’t reach out for help for whatever reasons. I can’t say I would know their reasons. My own personal experience I had whopper depression as a teenager and had dark thoughts of my own but somehow had willpower to never act on them. I can’t personally claim I know what Christine was going through just share that I had and often still do have bouts. Everyone with depression have it to differing degrees so some cases aren’t the same. It would be good to use Christine’s story and others to teach the uninformed that depression is a serious matter and more who suffer from it can be saved if more on the outside can understand better and those who suffer depression are given more overt means of significant help.
darkretro1987 - Thanks for your response and welcome. I also want to say that I hope I didn't sound rude or like I was saying you should have read through the thread or anything like that. I just re-read my post and realized it might have come off that way so I apologize if so; it wasn't intended that way. I guess I'm also relatively new to the talk surrounding Chris, as I only began to get really interested in it about a year and a half ago.
Thanks for sharing your comments about your struggle with depression. My own personal issues with depression are the main reason I also became interested in this topic. I won't go into massive detail, but I was diagnosed with depression at 17 and have gone through the ups and downs over the past decade or so. Chris' story actually energized me to pay more attention to my mental health. While her story is obviously tragic, there is some good that has come out of it for many people. I've had several people email me and tell me they relate or have related to her mindset and story, and they also see it as a cautionary thing. For me, I saw a lot of similarities between myself and her, personality-wise. I always thought, "She was attractive, talented, and successful. She shouldn't have hated herself." But then I realized that I couldn't feel the same way about myself and my own situation. I hated myself for no rational reason, but the real reason was actually a chemical imbalance. That's not to say I'm as attractive or successful as Chris was. But the point is that I was kind of looking in the mirror, and it helped me realize that maybe my perception of myself was wrong, just like Chris' perception of herself was wrong.
(Plus being on anti-depressants and Rx-strength Vitamin D has been a game-changer).
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Post by darkretro1987 on Sept 2, 2023 22:00:27 GMT
Tapesignal, don’t worry I didn’t think there was any rude intentions. I have had my share of that in other communities so I have gotten better at reading the signs.
I went through a time of self loathing and self doubt and it has repercussions today even though I have recovered from the worst of it.
I missed a point I wanted to mention earlier when it was said Newman and the others’ reasonings of not sharing Christine life footage out of not wanting to glorify suicide. I don’t understand where they would get that idea from just releasing unrelated news casts she did. Maybe I am missing a detail.
From what I remember, he thinks anything related to Chris is overshadowed and defined by her suicide because that's what made her famous. In KPC he said something along the lines of "without [her suicide] we wouldn't be here talking about it." Basically saying that her suicide is the only reason anyone knows who she is or is interested in her story (the first part is arguably true). I would say that he - and people of his mindset - believe that giving attention to someone who is famous due to suicide is, by proxy, an encouragement to other suicidal people to actually carry it out publicly for attention and fame. That maybe those suicidal people think they'll become the next Chris Chubbuck and get all kinds of attention after their death, and are therefore being encouraged to do it. He didn't say that in so many words, but I personally believe that's the logic behind his stance. Similarly, many news stations won't show pictures of mass shooters because it's giving them attention. They feel it will encourage others to go out and do the same thing for fame, posthumously or not.
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Post by sakuraradiochan on Sept 3, 2023 0:13:17 GMT
tapesignaldarkretro1987 People who are party to horrible events don't typically want to continue living them over and over again. I totally agree with how Steve Newman feels, and I don't blame him one bit. It's not "sketchy" at all, it's pretty much in line with how human nature is.
Its a complex issue, certainly. I don’t have much else of merit to add right now, lol. I still think Christine should still be remembered as a person and not just sweep everything about her under the rug, bad or good. That doesn’t mean I think the “holy grail” footage should be plastered all over the place either.
I must not be able to put myself in the pov of persons who want attention so much they kill and kill themselves to get it. Attention yearners I have known personally want to do something to get noticed and still be around to see the attention they created. I had dark thoughts in my own youth but never any that would border on attention seeking so I can’t relate to that.
I hope everyone is doing well. I would just like to pop in and post a new picture of Chris that was submitted to me via email. I asked for the newspaper info/date and will update this post later if I get it. Sorry about the low quality; it looks like it was printed pretty small.
Edit 10/28/2023: It's from The Philadelphia Inquirer, August 12, 1974. The full newspaper page and credit info is on my blog.
Update: I'm currently in correspondence with Mr. John Griffin. He said that when he has time, he will upload the regular footage of Chris doing her show (the zoning episode) and will send me a link when he does. He's aware that many people are wanting to see it, so I advise that we just be patient and wait. This isn't towards anyone in particular, but I know that several people (including me, of course) have already contacted him about the footage. Asking him about it any further would be redundant (and probably annoying to him) in my opinion.
I hope you're all doing well and having a great 2024 so far. 😊
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Here at last is the full zoning episode. Many, many thanks to Mr. John Griffin for providing this footage. He has uploaded the full tape, which includes other unrelated WXLT footage, on his own channel. Please check the description of the video for more info. I'm elated to finally see this footage of Chris, and I know many of you will be as well. : )
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Here at last is the full zoning episode. Many, many thanks to Mr. John Griffin for providing this footage. He has uploaded the full tape, which includes other unrelated WXLT footage, on his own channel. Please check the description of the video for more info. I'm elated to finally see this footage of Chris, and I know many of you will be as well. : )
…..Is this the actual death tape, or some other footage of Christine? Just wondering.
No, this is regular footage of her doing her show. I don't have any interest in seeing or looking for the footage of her death. There's nothing objectionable in this video, it's just her interviewing three guests about the location of a new hospital.
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Here at last is the full zoning episode. Many, many thanks to Mr. John Griffin for providing this footage. He has uploaded the full tape, which includes other unrelated WXLT footage, on his own channel. Please check the description of the video for more info. I'm elated to finally see this footage of Chris, and I know many of you will be as well. : )
Here at last is the full zoning episode. Many, many thanks to Mr. John Griffin for providing this footage. He has uploaded the full tape, which includes other unrelated WXLT footage, on his own channel. Please check the description of the video for more info. I'm elated to finally see this footage of Chris, and I know many of you will be as well. : )
Absolutely fantastic. Credit to you for your amazing research on Chubbuck's life, and to John Griffin for releasing this footage. This is what I consider the holy grail of Chubbuck footage.
Thank you forlornjackalope and SpaceManiac888 for the kind words, it's much appreciated. : )
In 2016, Chris' brother Greg stated the following in an interview: "I just wish the people who were interested in Christine were interested in who she really was or helping people who find themselves in the same circumstance." That's what I want my blog and youtube channel to accomplish above anything else. I hope this footage will humanize Chris and take her story out of the "top ten shocking moments, etc" realm, and into conversation about mental health and self-image.
Although this was definitely the "big find" that I was hoping for, I will continue to update the blog as usual when new items surface. Thanks to everyone for your continued support!
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