I did see that thread and got really confused since it seemed to conflict with the comment on the article. It was also suspicious that there were no name headers or anything, so the whole conversation felt fake.
However, I have not seen that post from 2001 that mentions the X rated website, which conflicts with the comment on the article about it being Scooby Doo. At this point I would say the comment on the article could be completely misremembering, so getting confirmation from brolly22 themselves might clear up which parts of the rumor are true or not.
Oh wow that's something, it looks like Clowns Without Borders is a real thing and honestly fits the Adult Swim brand. Maybe Dave Willis misremembered. That article is new to the search though, I've never seen it before.
Maybe there is a path to move the search forward without having to look for webmasters of old adult websites. I also don't think anyone has asked the commenter where the information came from, so perhaps there's another line of old fans who would have more insight about it.
It's too bad this is as old as 1999, making the information so much harder to find. If this had been something from even a few years later it would probably be way more known about and accessible.
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The only bit of a lead we have is a comment that was posted on the article about the topic, of which the owner of the site where the original eBay screenshot comes from, says that the winner was the owner of an X-rated Scooby Doo site (and was not the brolly22 person who was bidding in the screenshot).
I've always found that piece of information, interesting to say the least, because of how specific it is. The community surrounding this kind of thing couldn't have been very big at the time, and I would be shocked to learn there was more than one X-rated Scooby Doo site back then.
Unfortunately that's not something I care to look into so I don't really want to go on a hunt for it, but technically there is probably enough information based in this rumor to either get a name for the alleged person or even track them down with enough looking.
Oh this is great info! I can't remember if the screenshot that was saved had the selling price on it, but I'm pretty sure we didn't know the money went to Doctors Without Boarders.
Regardless it's still cool he remembered it, but not surprising its contents aren't mentioned. And I'm sure he doesn't know or remember who won it so that's still an unsolved mystery.
I would have thought by now, after all these years, the winner at least would have made themselves known or just posted something from it to prove they had it. But with only vague rumors in who won it, and it being from so long ago, we might never get an answer.
If anyone is claiming the clips were from the gigaleak (which I was told it wasn't anywhere near a gigaleak in terms of size, unless that has since changed), then that is false. The source that showed them to me originally said they weren't from that leak and were from a different group of files. I don't know where or how they were obtained but it wasn't anything related to the publicized leaks we all have heard about.
As for the proof of email takedowns, there was also a screenshot that someone sent to me showing that Paramount had taken down their posting of the clips on X, which blew my mind because I had never seen something like that happen before. This was someone who told me about the whole thing back in October. Is it easy to falsely claim content on archive.org or X? The only other option would have been if they faked the takedowns themselves. And in that case, it would mean that this was some hugely coordinated troll,
For that to have happened, people from the server where the clips originated from would have had to perfectly copy the structure of a known workprint (Nasty Patty), sent me the screenshots and clips knowing I'd believe the story, intentionally held off on releasing them publicly for months, then had bondi and the other guy act as a pawns and sabotage themselves by faking Paramount takedown emails, from two different sites.
I guess that's not impossible, but it comes down to two options-
-These are real clips that were from the recording session and were found in a workprint from a lesser known Nick source -The entire existence of these is based on a months long, extremely well coordinated hoax that nobody can definitively prove
I just can't believe they're fake when everything is considered. And not that it matters but the "dumpster writing" clip from the same source uses a temporary voice and sounds a lot like one of the fish from the episode in my opinion. I guess that's not really good evidence though, I'm sure there would be some people who think it doesn't sounds similar.
I could ask him on X if you wanted me to, back then I might not have found anything else except a Facebook. You'd think by now someone would have gotten an answer out of him unless he goes out of his way to not make any comments about it.
Do you have any other details about where you first heard of it? Who's claiming it exists, sources for the claim, and stuff like that.
I love the category but this is like the third unknown SpongeBob thing that's popped up within the past few months. Are there really that many lost commercials from as far into the series as the mid to late 2000s?
No, I haven't looked into it much since I last talked about it in one of my videos. I'd probably have to do a lot of back tracking with The Centurion for any chance at getting a copy of the Symposium or just a way to verify if their info about the PBS documentary was taken from somewhere else
At this point I'm slightly convinced it's just the result of the original source having bad information, then that getting copied a million times, but I'll have to dedicate more time to specifically talking to Centurion people before I come to a conclusion.
Wow this is a blast from the past, I completely forgot I had even commented on this thread when I saw it show up again.
All those years ago I did message Pete on Facebook but never got a response, I don't know if he even saw the message. I also remember a screenshot from a journalist having asked to interview him, to which he agreed, but I never found that interview or know if it took place.
Maybe there's some info on this that's been buried over the years, but it'll probably be even harder to find now, since back then it was difficult to search for. If you get any new information about this, share it if you can.
I don't understand why people ever feel the need to harass someone over lost media or a search, like that somehow is going to get results quicker, but honestly that gets into a bigger discussion about the topic.
In my opinion, after seeing this kind of thing happen time and time and time again, I would like to think that most of the harassment isn't from genuine community members and more from casuals or passerbys that either want to purposely disrupt a search or actually don't realize they're being annoying.
I can't speak for the lostwave community since I'm not in it, but I know with the Me and My Friends stuff, any damage that was done early on was not from anyone involved closely with the search or anyone that we knew about. So it had to be someone who heard about the topic and acted on their own.
And the Mario 64 screamer server was made on its own, without being directly associated with the lost media community, with the discord link posted publicly on the first post of the thread. In theory anyone passing through that thread could have come across it and chosen to destroy it.
Not that any of this means anything when a search has already been ruined. But I would like to think there really aren't as many troublemakers within our communities as we might believe, and that the general public opinion that the community collectively harasses people is not true.
Still this is why leads are kept so secretive nowadays, it's not to gatekeep within the community but to protect it from people outside of it.
I remember a few people telling me to cover this but I never had time to look into it. That's too bad to hear the whole thing was fake. I've always felt like it's been easy to fool people simply with the territory of lost media.
Like with Slamfest, I want to take every lead or suggestion as being legit, but we've been fooled many times by doing that. So what's the alternative- potentially miss a lead because you suspect it might be fake? It's a tricky position to be in.
Similarly with how varied and extensive lostwave stuff is, are people going to have to just start believing everything is a troll now? Probably not but that's the problem. So I guess the moral of the story is stay skeptical.
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This thread brought back a memory from elementary school where a handful of cool kids were watching it and suddenly everyone else felt like they had to watch it. I think that's just about the only time I ever came across the show, aside from the commercials for it.
Definitely seems like one of those topics that fan recordings are going to help find, if they can't just dump it on a streaming service like you mentioned. It would also be an easy topic to include in a video to spread awareness too.
I guess this is another side effect of the community getting larger, is there isn't any double checking with what's been found or what the source is. I thought this was a totally new find since I hadn't seen talk about the original upload before, but like half the comments on X are just bashing that it's not new.
I'm sure if I checked my DMs more I would come across more examples of this, found media that isn't really new. But it's hard sourcing "found media" when most of the tips I get are either reuploads or links to other sites that have the piece in question, and not the actual source from where they came from.
Even the "original description" on the archive.org reupload got the name of the DVD wrong. I guess when you're that far in, you're basically playing a game of telephone.
If it's still lost when my next found media video comes out I can include it in a separate update segment. I'm not sure if I ever put the confirmation of the early July 2002 airdate in any of my videos so people might not know where to look.
I know I asked a Nickelodeon Discord server about it though, and nobody had anything.
Viacom went as far as to take down the archive.org uploads of the clip, and even the original tweets that shared it. There were screenshots posted in the Lost Media Wiki Discord server showing that.
I would say that clears up any remaining doubts, and combined with the story of how it was originally shared privately and then leaked it all adds up.