There's no reason why it would be on a shady site, lost media in general isn't there despite how that's the common belief. We still don't know if this topic is even real but even if it is, I'm sure there wouldn't be any content already online.
timon made a passing comment that they believe other people could corroborate the claim and so far I have yet to see anyone on this site or elsewhere be able to do that. If there was content from it already online, this probably wouldn't be the case.
Yeah fam I just found it on a shady website alongside all the missing episodes of Doctor Who and the original slow-scan tapes of the Apollo 11 moon landing.
Post by LSuperSonicQ on Sept 21, 2022 15:56:17 GMT
It seems like they might be new to searching so I wanted to make sure they know what they're doing tjs9udfe
I also find the idea of lost media being on shady websites inaccurate, especially with this topic. That's not even something you hear about too often anymore but I suppose Go For A Punch kinda brought it back.
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Post by MediaMonster on Sept 21, 2022 20:04:42 GMT
I'm ashamed that this community even hesitated for a second to believe that this could be real. An alternate version of Caillou? Really? Do you understand how stupid that sounds? The fact that there's no other mentions of it besides this one forum post should've been a dead giveaway from the start. This is a joke. The fact that people are actually searching for something that doesn't even exist (oh I'm sorry, "hypothetical lost media") when we could spend time searching for shit that's actually REAL pisses me off. This gives the community a bad name.
I second the idea that OP is misremembering a French-Canadian cartoon called Charley and Mimmo (AKA T'Choupi et Doudou). The characters of Charley and Caillou look/sound/act very similar, in spite of respectively being a penguin and a human. It's very common to have memories from our early childhoods blend together since our cognitive systems are still developing. (For example, I remembered being scared by "some sort of evil Snorks" as a kid until I was able to identify it years later as The Smoggies)
If it's not Charley and Mimmo, and you're dead-set on looking for Caillou 2, then what are you doing? Does the world not have enough Caillou media in it? It's like you found out about a lost toxic waste-making machine and you want to find it and turn it back on.
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Ongoing Searches: ❂ Shin Tetsuwan Atom (Astro Boy 1980) Canadian dub 34/51 eps. ❂ The Parliament-Funkadelic 1978-1980 concert cartoons ❂ Petit Ange/Angie Girl "Sherlock & Me" English dub
Post by LSuperSonicQ on Sept 22, 2022 17:12:00 GMT
I usually don't like posting personal opinions in threads because it distracts from the topic but I'm kind of offended that people have spoken out against this topic in such a strong way. I'm probably a little bias towards the topic because I've been following it for so long but it's also just as easy for someone to come along after 10 pages of discussion to say it's fake without proof.
This topic is no different than any other topic that people have an interest in- they're going to look in it, get a definitive answer, and move on to something else. As I've stated earlier in the thread, all it's going to take is finding someone who worked on the show or someone from a PBS affiliate near where it aired to confirm or debunk it for us. Someone show me a message from either of those places saying it's fake, then I'll stop searching for it.
And that's another thing too, I don't like the idea that because it's Caillou it's not worth searching for. I like lost media from kids shows and the idea that a lesser known version of Caillou has gone undocumented for a decade is interesting to me. Detracting people from searching for what they're passionate about is the exact opposite of what the community is about.
I honestly think if this thread was condensed to the page and a half of details and real searching that went on people wouldn't be so strongly against it, there's so much garbage it makes the thread look bad.
I usually don't like posting personal opinions in threads
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it's also just as easy for someone to come along after 10 pages of discussion to say it's fake without proof.
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all it's going to take is finding someone who worked on the show or someone from a PBS affiliate near where it aired to confirm or debunk it for us. Someone show me a message from either of those places saying it's fake, then I'll stop searching for it.
You didn't seem to have any problem posting your opinion that it's real.
Keep in mind that both sides are without proof at this point. In normal circumstances, the burden of proof would be on the side that it's real. It's not exactly unreasonable to come to the conclusion that it's completely fake.
Also, I don't think any single PBS station or production staff member can disprove the dub's existence. What if we got the station wrong? What if one of the stations had a janitor who was pulling an elaborate prank, and it was swept under the rug? What if the production company didn't let all of their employees in on the alternate version they were making?
Post by LSuperSonicQ on Sept 22, 2022 19:59:55 GMT
I didn't mean opinion in reference to the topic being real or fake, I meant the personal bias towards defending the topic.
And I don't think it would be unreasonable to take the word of a single employee if they had the right credentials, this is key in every lost media search. It's like how searches for lost pilots often require contact of early staff, you wouldn't contact someone who only worked on the final season and likely didn't even see the pilot. Of course there is some possibly of misremembering details but that all depends on context- generally speaking if you can't trust what your contacts tell you then you'll always be searching in circles.
Even if someone from PBS told us that it didn't exist when in reality, we asked the wrong station as you mentioned, that's entirely on us. But even in that case we'd still have something to work with whereas right now, we have zero comments from anyone who might know. If someone wanted to, they could even contact several different stations and see what all their answers are.
Though I do agree with you that more proof is needed to confirm its existence, I think it's a mistake to dismiss it as fake simply because that proof hasn't been found yet. This reminds me a lot of Go For A Punch whose existence has been up for debate ever since the topic surfaced. There's absolutely no proof that it exists or doesn't exist- but through contextual evidence we can conclude that it likely didn't. That's the combination of people having searched through old VHS stores in Japan, details of the topic not matching up with Japanese culture, fans with years of experience in the genre having never heard of it, and every site that was found where it was alleged having been proven to be fake.
What's the contextual evidence for Charlie not existing? The only factors I can come up with are OP not having an active account, the possibility that it was a different show and the confusion about the cities. I don't think the first two points of this search have as much weight as any of the points with Go For A Punch. There is no archive to look through or PBS historian that's never heard of it before, which leaves the weird city confusion. To me, that's been the biggest red flag but even there was another person in the thread that believed it was an easy confusion to make. Even in this case, a simple message to a higher up at PBS around the alleged area could give us an answer and I would feel good about that.