Cancelled movies/alternate cuts discussion thread.

Religion is still a thing to a lot of people regardless, and why should a studio go out of their way to piss people off when it'd be a better business model to at least try to appeal to as many different backgrounds as possible with projects. The studios could rake in more profit that way and we'd get more media options.

I don't think it's due to there not being any original ideas to tell anymore, I think it's more to do with no one wants to be too creative anymore and would rather feed off of ideas already out there because it's easier. Why start from scratch when they can build off of something else someone already did before in some form, is how I feel that they are thinking.   Basically I feel that they are lazy and just want to spit out ideas quicker.

Well, political media has always existed but escapism media also used to exist side by side and over the past few decades both of them have been seeming to blur together a bit too much for my liking. I'm old fashioned, as I've repeated to death in other places, and I like to have a break from the nonsensical BS that society is into on a daily basis. I'd just like to see more new options out there with media, not have them all essentially repeating the same mantras in different clothing.

It's like I used to get sick of hearing people claiming that shows like Doctor Who have "always been political". Well, I've seen more of that in Nu Who than in Classic Who. In most of the episodes of Classic Who it was pure escapism with blob monsters and daleks and such with a little bit of humanity thrown in, but not like the uptick of real world politics that have trickled into Nu Who over the years. I literally rolled my eyes when Nu Who had to include Brexit nonsense in the narrative in a few of the later episodes. I'd rather see alien invasion stories instead of stories brow beating one side or the other about how they are living in real life.

I don't think I was bitching in my statement, lol, but I come from the stand point that it's just getting boring to me for the studios to keep rebooting the same characters over and over and over again in such short time spans. Maybe it would be better if they'd wait at least twenty years before pulling a reboot of something. At least then we'd get a span of time where maybe we'd actually miss seeing new adventures of characters and franchises, give us a reason to miss these things for a change.

My only experiences with Wrinkle In Time was with the original book in grade school and I remember being so bored with the book that I quit in the middle of it, lol, so I haven't bothered to see any of the movie treatments of the story.

Only criticisms that I have with the Star Wars ST is over all it was generally bad writing. Dumb down the legacy characters and make them so useless so that the new characters are more appealing. Luke Skywalker is an angry useless hermit for most of his screen time and literally sucks the teat of an alien cow for milk, lol, it was so ridiculously lame. Han's death was even lamer. As for Leia, that couldn't be helped since Carrie Fisher passed away in the middle of production.

I never had a problem with Finn in TFA except for how he was portrayed. I think it was disrespectful to first advertise that he's a storm trooper only to be revealed to be a lowly janitor. Honestly, that is how blacks used to be portrayed in media either as janitors or maids or servants, which is disrespectful. At the very least Finn could've just been written as a First Order storm trooper as originally advertised. Being portrayed as a soldier for a cause is better than getting a fake out and get yet another black servant portrayal. I think we should have moved past stereotyping persons of colors and ethnic backgrounds being shoehorned in as only servants and slaves a long time ago. Time for the races and creeds and colors to get that equal treatment on screen.    I don't agree with the slights against white characters either.   Why can't all of the colors on screen be represented equally with respect for all?  

My gripes with Rey have nothing to do with her being a woman, it has everything to do with how sloppy her backstory was told. Abrams was essentially making everything up about Rey as the movies went on instead of having a plan and then he literally had to steal a fan theory from 2015 just to finish Rey's backstory, LMAO! Abrams is notorious for that kind of silliness. I think it was because Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy by extension wanted to separate Rey from the Skywalkers, which was stupid considering the main Episodes 1 thru 9 saga IS about the Skywalkers, lol. If they wanted non-Skywalker related characters as the main focus then they should've waited to start a different movie trilogy or streaming show.

I say just let the trolls troll and don't engage them, it's a waste of your energy. Arguing with them isn't going to change their minds about how they feel, only they can change their minds themselves. The Star Wars fandom in general has always been a weird breed, first they bitch about George Lucas changing things in the Prequels and then they suddenly love Lucas again and want him to come back, lol.

Okay, so who is sitting on the Christ Farley Shrek recordings then, is what I'd like to know? Obviously company men who don't want that material seeing the light of day for their own reasons. I thought I saw a YouTube video that did leak some of Farley's Shrek voice overs sometime ago.

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darkrage6,
Not everyone who is religious is a "nutjob". But with every single religion and political belief system there are zealots or "nutjobs" who try to make the majority of people with those religious and political beliefs look bad by association.    If you want an example of what I think are the real nutjobs of religions, just do a deep dive into the catholic faith. There are some pretty big weird things going on there, like there are catholics who honestly believe that when they die they get to govern their own planets, among other things I'll let you look into if you want to that is unless you already know what I'm eluding to. The catholic priests being all pedophiles is another fine example of the zealot aspect to that religion. But you can't group in everyone who is religious as being "nutjobs".      I'm sure those who oppose your beliefs would consider you and everyone who believes in what you do as "nutjobs" too, so it's the pot calling the kettle black essentially.

I don't complain about remakes and reboots, I just think it gets to be pretty lazy.   I'm not a shill for the entertainment industry who goes "Ooooo" and "Ahhhh" over everything they make.   If they make something that is shit and I know it to be shit then I'm not afraid to call it shit, lol.    I make up my own mind, but I guess independent thinking gets frowned upon these days.

No, not all media is political and there are plenty of examples out there but I don't think you'd be interested enough to look for it. It's curious anytime we get into discussions that touch upon politics even a little bit you always assume that you're speaking to someone straight and white when I've never disclosed either one, lol. You also seem to get your back up a little bit when you hear something a little contrary to your beliefs. Well, that's your right to do so but I think that's just a waste of energy, putting up shields and getting ready to blast away torpedoes when I'm not someone who is attacking you directly.   No need to be on red alert with me, unless you just want to waste your time.

Don't compare me to the 'elitists', LMFAO, because I've already told you in a previous conversation that I seriously hate all politicians, but you must not have wanted to remember that fact about me or just didn't care to. And if we want to get onto the topic of 'whining', anytime differing politics happen to come up you certainly sound like you're 'whining' about all of the beliefs that are different from yours. Not trying to be aggressive, just returning the 'whining' compliment considering some of your phrasing previously sounded like the attempt at a personal attack. No need to get so aggressive with me, friend, because I didn't come to this community to debate political ideologies but I'm also not going to cower and hide and pretend that I believe in everything completely just to 'fit in' with other people. 

I'm happy to play nice with others just as long as they don't start throwing aggressive comments my way when I speak my mind. I'm not one afraid to speak my mind and it's not my fault if someone else happens to get offended at what I say. That is their problem, not mine, especially when my intention wasn't to offend in the first place.

So I don't know how you want to play things for the foreseeable future. I'm perfectly happy to have conversations with you but I'm also not going to sugar coat how I think or feel just to make you feel better. My word of advice would be to save the aggressive attitude for debating "debate me" bros on Facebook or Twitter.....I mean 'X'....because there's no need to use it with me. I've already been in more than enough fights in the comment sections of social media to find it a useless exercise, you're never going to change the mind of someone who doesn't want to change it.    Why waste the time, honestly?   Life is short.   

Luke was useless in the sense that Abrams and Johnson seemed to want to go out of their way to make the Jedi hero of the OT a broken, angry old man who would rather hide from his failures instead of confronting them directly because I think they wanted to destroy the OT hero character on purpose.     Sure, I can see how training Rey could help Luke redeem himself , by becoming her mentor instead of continuing to hide in his little hut. In that aspect Luke sort of took the role of Yoda as Yoda had failed to defeat the Emperor in RotS but found redemption in training Luke during TESB and RotJ. It was Luke's Yoda moment with Rey. I suspect in a future movie Rey will have her chance as mentor to another new character further down the road should Daisy Ridley care to re-visit the franchise by then.