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Post by ziggycashmere on Jul 31, 2023 18:47:46 GMT

Jul 31, 2023 18:18:38 GMT LSuperSonicQ said:

I have always believed, and will continue to do so, that everyone should be allowed to search for whatever they want without anger or shame placed on their search. I've said before in other threads that if I wasn't searching for X topic, I wouldn't be contributing to something else instead. I'm only looking for that X topic because it's something I want to find.

With that said, I also believe to some extent, that older people from the community have created an idealized image of what it used to be simply because it was smaller and the requests for cartoon or kids stuff weren't as noticeable.

However, if you look back at the first 10 articles that were ever posted to the site, which yes I did make a video on, all of them are either

-based on kids properties (Wicked Witch, Rule Removal)
-NSFL (Armin Meiwes, Grizzly Man Audio)
-or have that spooky feel (Ringu Brussels Cut)

These are pretty much the three big categories that most people say they have an issue with but they've been popular since the beginning. Not to mention, I can remember the days of the SpongeBob Albanian dub and other topics that were considered stupid at the time. Every era of the community has certainly had its share of topics that nobody cared about.

I also disagree with the idea that we're wasting time searching for topics that aren't really lost like pilots. This actually goes back to a bigger discussion that I've seen on Twitter before about what really counts as lost media but realistically, if we eliminated every piece of lost media that by definition, someone had or was never intended to be seen, all we'd have left are really old stuff like movies from the 1920s and dubs that people would still be complaining about.

I've probably said this before too and I don't think it's really a controversial opinion, but the reason why nobody wants to search for old books or movies is because there is little appeal to them compared to a SpongeBob commercial. And I guess that's part of the issue raised, the complaints that there isn't enough interest in historical media but it goes back to what I said at the beginning, people are going to search for what they are interested in. It's that attachment and personally connection to something that makes someone care about it.

One could argue that the community would be better off without that nostalgic attachment but I don't see it like that. I don't feel like it's the community's responsibility to archive historical works simply because "they matter more". Without the passion that people give to the topics they're interested in, the community as a whole would have never grown. It probably would have gotten abandoned at some point or died out completely during the move from the Wikia site to this one.

"With that said, I also believe to some extent, that older people from the community have created an idealized image of what it used to be simply because it was smaller and the requests for cartoon or kids stuff weren't as noticeable."

This, I think, may be a hole I myself have fallen in. Kids media I'll agree has always been popular here but I remember it being far less popular back then than it is now, and I guess that's because it was way smaller back then. I do remember creepy and NSFL media getting the biggest spotlight even back then, but at least those were things that seemed to have a far bigger scope and were a little deeper (and a little older). The last time I've seen something even similar to that happen was with Hitogata, but I understand this is something that just sort of happens.

Though in my personal opinion NSFL media shouldn't even really be something sought for, but that's another conversation.

"And I guess that's part of the issue raised, the complaints that there isn't enough interest in historical media but it goes back to what I said at the beginning, people are going to search for what they are interested in. It's that attachment and personally connection to something that makes someone care about it."

This I understand and have said before that you should only look for things you're actually interested in seeing, so I agree. I just find it strange that there seems to be a severe lack in people searching for things that they don't have a nostalgic connection to or at this point even looking for something over 25 years old. Nearly everything I've searched for and had interest in I didn't have a nostalgic or personal connection to, and I thought that used to be common, but maybe I'm misremembering?

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Post by sigmahero045 on Jul 31, 2023 19:01:57 GMT

Jul 31, 2023 18:29:31 GMT ziggycashmere said:

I do, as many many others, consider that they're lost media, lost in the sense "not available to watch". Some of them even their main creator didn't save them and thought to be permanently lost and it was only by some miracle that they were found and be able to be watched again, including by them reconnecting with their past work. Such attitude would not have allowed such miracles to happen because "nuh, it's not REAL lost media, so be lost". I think I understand what you're trying to say but there are better ways to say it such as "I really like that so many people care about so many things, including some I might personnally not enjoy, but I would like TOO if these and these things that aren't talked about as much would get some attention, can we make it more inclusive for them, please?". Like, personally, I might not be a big fan of lost game show episodes, but I still respect very much the effort and attention given to them by people that cares about them, good for them, good thing that they're found for the people that care about them I give them a thumb's up and a "good job" for their efforts. The effort put into saving a lost movie or a lost bumper can both be hard so I think it's mean to sort of look down upon them and diss the fanfare that keep these searches alive solely because one doesn't personnally think positively of the material searched for. There's space for everybody and all kinds of different interests here, and we should explicitely be respectful about each of us and cheer for the efforts of others even if you don't share the passions of everybody. Found media is found media.

I think I get what you're saying and I agree. I know I probably started off a little harsh with this thread but in my muddled thoughts I think my main point was not having balance in searches and people walking in feeling entitled to be helped. I never said the smaller things shouldn't be looked for at all, I just meant the bigger things should be given a little more attention and effort like the others. I've been seeing a lot of people coming in lately, especially children, wanting small YouTube videos that were taken down years ago and even sound effects from toys and they get irritated when nobody shares interest in them. I just wish there was a little more understanding and harmony between people here you know? And a little more interest in the older and more adult things. Nearly all of my friends from my early days in the server have strayed away or hardly ever say anything anymore due to the community changing. Maybe I'm just against change?

Probably, don't worry, happens to the best of us. I get you, but they're just kids, what can we do about it? We're all like that at that age, aren't we? Who can blame them. If nothing else, this gives us an opportunity of handling them better with a "Hey, kid, perhaps you could help us more in other ways than asking for lost media you know? Does your grandparents or your uncle/aunt or the ones of your friends have VHS in their things? Why don't you ask them about it and watch it with them? You could send pictures and videos of them afterward if they're lost" Giving them an occasion to bound with their close ones like it's getting harder and harder these days and seeding a passion for things before their time (which is always a good thing in my mind) for when they grow up, they can be of more help here.

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Post by oppositekeith on Jul 31, 2023 19:35:43 GMT

here's my 2 cents.

it is annoying to see this happen, it REALLY is but thats how communities are i think. groups of people are introduced to something that they are either familiar with (i.e kids media like spongebob) or something so vulgar and dark that it attracts morbid curiosity within them to want to find it (NSFW/NSFL media). i was no exception with both cases cause those happened to me exactly like that but i grew out of it after seeing the flaws that came with it and i just now see it as meh at best or a waste of time at worst. i grew up basically and so did much of the older users of the community who are either silent or no longer in the community and once i realized that i started to find less and less cases of lost media cause i didnt think much attention would be brought upon in them anyways. like you said, you're on your own until you aint if you ever get someones attention. i think you should really be proud of what you accomplished ziggy in this community even if this community doesnt see it all. hell you should be proud at least for most of us to listen to you at all and agree to your points and arguments cause this is a situation that will results plenty of different answers and biases from different sides from different communities of said lost media both old and new and i think this argument counts.

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Post by forlornjackalope on Jul 31, 2023 19:55:29 GMT

Jul 30, 2023 18:44:26 GMT ziggycashmere said:

Just to be clear, I don't mean the LMW specifically, just the lost media community in general.

I've been part of the LMW for six years, and part of the lost media community basically since I was born. I'm sorry if this is inappropriate to post about here, but I had to get this off my chest and I felt others may agree with what I have to say.

The community has gone down hill quite a bit in my opinion. Every day now all I see people talk about is pilots, commercials, bumpers, and sometimes even physical objects. These, while technically lost media, I feel like should really be on the back burner. Hardly ever do I see people talk about things that have real historical importance and were meant to be consumed publically. Pilots were never meant to be seen by the public. Vent art, such as Behind Closed Doors also was never meant to be seen by the public (and is also extremely common in the animation industry.)

Why do we put so much effort into searching for things that were never really "lost" to begin with, because we were never meant to see them? There's hundreds of video games, movies, and books out there that we have a fair chance in finding yet there is hardly any interest in them. I understand everyone has their specific interests and hunts, but I must ask, why do you search for some of these things? I see people come in and ask for sound clips from toys, extremely specific bumpers or dubs in a language they don't even speak. Ask yourself, are you actually interested in seeing this because you're interested in the content? Or are you just interested because it's lost and you feel compelled that, for whatever reason, it has to be found?

Also, to those people who think "nobody here cares about lost media" or "nobody cares about what I'm looking for," the world does not revolve around you. Everyone has their interests, and in this community those interests are pretty niche. Finding someone who has the same niche interest as you is hard, and you need to be patient and look for whatever it is yourself until someone else wants to help. You cannot interrupt conversations and ask time and time again to help find something and whine when people aren't interested. Nearly everything I have found, preserved, or helped in finding nobody has cared about. I am okay with that, and you should be too. In the end you should want to find something because you, yourself, want to see it, not because you feel it should be found just because its lost or for other people.

I don't know, I'm just tired and time and time again I find myself leaving only to just come back a week later. Why can't we search for things that really matter and the world would be better if we found? Why are people still searching for NSFL content when that was lost for a reason? Why is such a large amount of the community so infatuated with pilots and children's media when there is so much more things to be found out there?

I also don't understand why there's an article submissions system. Why can't people write their own articles? It is not that hard.

I agree.

Yeah, I get people wanting to look for certain things, like old commercials out of pure nostalgia, but full-on dedicated searches (ex: that candy bar or whatever commercial from the 2000s) is absolutely baffling to me when there's bigger fish out there that, and I'm sorry to say it like this, are of more importance and relevant significance. There's a passing oddity and then there's just, well, this. The scales are unfairly balanced and it's just bizarre. I'll admit that I have my own niche things that are a white whale of sorts, but I know I wouldn't orchestra massive searches for a the vast majority of them.

I'm also glad you mentioned toys and merchandise as well. Again, I can understand nostalgia, but the way its handled doesn't make a ton of sense to me either. I wouldn't hold it to the same caliber as lost or unaccounted for manuscripts (like Hemingway's suitcase) and artifacts either. Maybe I'm approaching things with a double standard, but there's, for example, the content that Jenny Nicholson has made about Buzzy and just the history of animatronics and theme parks, and then there's people having unusual in-depth searches for niche plushies and action figures that don't need nearly the amount of attention that they're receiving.

To deviate a little bit since the topic of NSFL media has come up, I agree to some capacity. I've been very vocal about how I feel about this and I can't tell if I'm becoming more of the minority here.

Like with all things in life, not all of it is bright or saccharine sweet. That's just how history is. As such, we can and should be able to discuss and talk about these things in a civil, respectful manner like adults. If you can't do that, it's not your cup of tea, or don't want to be affiliated with that, you don't have to participate. There's documenting things for historical reasons and then there's being a creep and harassing people - which I'm staunchly against. This is why I've been very uncomfortable with how people have handled the Christine Chubbuck case and how it essentially turned into people re-traumatizing her loved ones as opposed to doing what I think she would have wanted, which is preserving her legacy as a reporter as best as we can. People like the former are the problem with the community and they make the rest of us look like a bunch of degenerates. If discussions about NSFL shouldn't be allowed, then why we do we even have sections dedicated to them on the Wiki in the first place? If it's to reduce people getting curious to look for it, then that feels like an open invitation for people to get and spread blatant misinformation. That's where respectfully, the unfair double standard comes into play and I absolutely hate that the bad actors of the community have contributed to this because it de-legitimatizes the very real work some of us take seriously and turns it into an utterly shameful, edgy contest for views and clout. Some people cannot leave well enough alone in that not everything needs to be found.

To reiterate something I've said for years here: there's a difference between talking about something and being respectful about it and then there's being abusive, exploitative, and doing borderline or actually illegal acts in the process. Talking about something =/= wanting to see it and the fact some people in the community don't understand this is exhausting.

Some things are better off lost, but that doesn't mean highlighting it is morally repugnant or wrong. It also doesn't mean that by talking about it means a search is warranted. Again, some things are better off lost - but not forgotten because it's often a reflection of our own history. To give a very macabre example, there's an article discussing the execution of a man named Edward Heinson from 1898. To date, it's the second known instance of an actual execution being filmed. The contrast between it and another article, that of the execution of child murderer William Carr (the first known instance of a filmed execution) is quite stark, painting an insidious and eye opening picture of the justice system in the US at the time, especially when it comes to the topic of race and the critical reception the film received. This is a painful chapter in our history and documenting it means we can't turn away from it. Just like with all history, we can talk about it like mature adults and not turn it into a spectacle. When it comes to special cases like what happened to Edward, we're in a higher position of being more sensitive and mindful about how you go forward. Nobody is genuinely going to fault you for poking fun at or ridiculing some video game that may or may not exist. People will, however, not be as generous when it comes to actual human exploitation and loss. Going back to the example with Edward, reporting on this event is not the same was wanting to spark a search for it (nor does saying its known status infer wanting to see it).

All in all, I agree. I don't know when this started, but I feel the efforts of the community have become rather misguided at times and the amount of importance some searches are getting over others is just sad now. I'd much rather see other topics get some attention, like a thread started by African users who are trying to find, log, and archive the filmography of specific filmmakers from the region (like Ghana, Botswana, Uganda, Nigeria, etc). I know I would love to see more of that and historical content from Africa, Asia and South America. I'll take a new discovery or lead for something like this over another damn commercial or some Youtube screamer from 2007.

As for your last point about the article requests section, I can only speak for me and my personal experience. For me, a lot of it comes down to time and not having sufficient resources to reliably work with. I've tried for years to find certain things and I've either been lead to dead ends or lead to minimal crumbs of info that aren't sufficient enough for a decent article. Plus, I also feel like I'm not the most eloquent when it comes to documentation (I mean, c'mon, look at all of this) and that I shine a bit more in the form of subtle contributions when I have the means to. Plus, there's plenty of topics that people have come in absolute clutch with and provided extensive research that I couldn't have imagined or dreamed of given how obscure some article requests are. You never know the amount of knowledge some people are just sitting on and don't know something is unaccounted for.

Okay, I'm done rambling. I feel like I'm going nowhere with this and I'm regurgitating my usual takes again.

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Jul 31, 2023 18:18:13 GMT sigmahero045 said:

Jul 31, 2023 14:49:33 GMT co said:

I was gonna respond to this topic earlier but then didn't. I have varying thoughts on this however.

1) Lost media for me is 100% a hobby. A hobby I am weirdly proud of if people ask, or I choose to infodump. I got into the lost media community because I'm good at finding stuff, or people, but those skills are better used here than in other circumstances. Yet, I also got into lost media because I liked a lot of the OG lost media youtubers at the time, and I also wanted to join a community where I was actually functional in it. So I TRY not to be mean or offputting here, I just never did well in online communities in the past. Literally talking in these forums was my first success.

2) Going back to the youtubers, since a lot of people are mentioning them, I will say that I don't mind when LSSQ discusses these things because I always viewed his channel as the "fun, non scary" lost media channel. For years his lost media coverage was kinda rare imo, because a lot of other lost media youtubers generally discussed NSFL stuff, which I think is now a dying trend. With this over saturation of LM youtubers, my biggest gripe are the complimation videos where they're labeled: "the most unusual lost media" and it's some dumb children's show from the UK that aired once. That isn't unusual, why are we saying it's unusual??

3) A lot of children have joined the LMW and it is very obvious to me. I think this isn't something necessarily new, but it is annoying when they do clog up the searches with "who cares" items. Again, I'm trying not to be an asshole here, but I also get bored of some searches. I love youtube poops, and fandubs, but those type of videos get wiped all of the time. Youtube is known for mass deleting stuff, and as someone who has had their own videos deleted, yeah, you'll never see it again. Somebody hated my fandub of Ben 10 so much they claimed it, and now they don't even exist so the appeal option is useless. That's how it be baby!

4) I should be more interested in recovering lost films/shows considering my education background, but that's such a tall order. Someone a few months back wanted to find an old TV show that was cancelled quick but had a revolutionary premise, but is basically just gone. Some episodes exist, but finding it through our traditional methods ain't gonna work. So it's a non-starter. I'll link it here if anyone is interested!

I'm interested in number 4! A big agree on these 4 points of yours, perhaps there's some way we could help these kids integrate better here even if it is a normal human reaction trying to get attention, clickbait is as old as the world itself.

Ask and you shall receive: forums.lostmediawiki.com/thread/10956/1967-1968

This one is a challenge due to how old and the limited amount of contacts. But I don't think it's impossible to recover, especially if there are some episodes online.

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Jul 31, 2023 18:43:39 GMT MantleM said:

Jul 31, 2023 18:41:01 GMT ziggycashmere said:

Nah I don't want this to go that route and honestly I already regret pouring gasoline in the fire.

Good stance. That thread got obnoxious fast and any real discourse ended up running around in circles. I think some excellent points have been raised here!

Indeed.

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Post by Terry the Cat on Aug 1, 2023 13:35:16 GMT

Jul 31, 2023 14:49:33 GMT co said:

Someone a few months back wanted to find an old TV show that was cancelled quick but had a revolutionary premise, but is basically just gone. Some episodes exist, but finding it through our traditional methods ain't gonna work. So it's a non-starter. I'll link it here if anyone is interested!

I heard "revolutionary premise" so now I'm interested lol

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Aug 1, 2023 13:35:16 GMT Terry the Cat said:

Jul 31, 2023 14:49:33 GMT co said:

Someone a few months back wanted to find an old TV show that was cancelled quick but had a revolutionary premise, but is basically just gone. Some episodes exist, but finding it through our traditional methods ain't gonna work. So it's a non-starter. I'll link it here if anyone is interested!

I heard "revolutionary premise" so now I'm interested lol

Here : forums.lostmediawiki.com/thread/10956/1967-1968

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Post by SpaceManiac888 on Aug 1, 2023 18:00:41 GMT

I believe I'm echoing others in saying there's not much the average Joe can really do to sway mainstream lost media opinion. Really, blameitonjorge is probably among the tiny few who could revitalise the Lost Media Wiki community specifically (will discuss this more later), were he to extensively upload lost media videos on fresh topics like war or sport. If you build it, they will come. In fact, unless I am very much mistaken, blameitonjorge's early lost media videos (on lost children's TV episodes and films if memory serves me right) were the main reason behind the explosion of popularity surrounding lost children's media. Something that is still going strong within the Lost Media Wiki community eight years later.

You may have noticed my emphasis on "Lost Media Wiki community". As I'm sure the founder himself would agree, Dycaite did not invent the concept of lost media back in 2012. However, he, along with blameitonjorge et al, did establish the modern internet-based lost media community, which I believe is generally mistaken for being the lost media community. Because it isn't. Decades prior, several lost media communities came into fruition, including the not-for-profit Kaleidoscope and the British Film Institute's Missing Believed Wiped event. Both focus on recovering lost radio, television, and films from the United Kingdom, and, as much as I love the Lost Media Wiki, have done more for the lost media cause than the LMW will ever probably achieve. Not a horrid remark about the LMW, just a fact. Regardless, if the mainstream Lost Media Wiki community and others inspired by it are becoming tiring, there are no worries, because chances are there is a lesser-known community eagerly awaiting some new archivists, researchers, and writers to add to its ranks.

But let's talk more about the LMW community. I personally believe the LMW may well have found its niche and has done for years. Some of us do moan about the focus on children's media, commercials, bumpers, pilots, NSFL etc. But if SenaUW or Dycaite were to suddenly announce "Right folks, the LMW, its Discord, and forum are no longer allowed to talk about *insert popular LMW topics here*, and that's non-negotiable", would the community stay loyal? Honestly... I think a large proportion of it would disappear under a protest or lack of interest in the replacement topics. Maybe they will form their own communities, who knows? But for LMW YouTubers and the LMW itself, these popular topics are the bread and butter of the community, and losing them may well cause the collapse of the modern lost media bubble. But in time, a new bubble will eventually take its place.

What are my thoughts on this? Honestly, I don't really mind what goes on in the mainstream community, mainly because I tend to stay out of it. Just like the mainstream, I have my own specific lost media interests, and likewise, not all lost media topics intrigue me. For instance, I once went with a few mates to some anime convention held in England, and realised I know nothing about anime. So don't expect me to talk about that anytime soon ha ha. In contrast, if I was the lost media kingpin, I would insist the community focus on content featuring men and women kicking a ball about (England beat China 6-1 in the Women's World Cup, lovely stuff from Sarina Wiegman once more) or enjoying the grand sound of a V8 motor. Lost sports media is my favourite topic, and hopefully I among others can encourage others to join in on the fun, whether it be baseball and American football, to rugby and cricket. However, if the mainstream never decides to care about lost sports media, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Regarding the topic of NSFL. I think forlornjackalope has summed it up quite nicely. If there's anything to add, it is that the Lost Media Wiki also did not invent the concept of NSFL. Even during the Victorian times, taboo topics were discussed frequently, often with far less respect than most modern people do today. In modern times, documentaries made for television or cinemas detail the worse of society in graphic detail. Wikipedia documents horrendous topics without shying away from the details. Some YouTubers thrive upon the darkness. Museums also do not shy away from discussing the depravity of our world, as I've found when touring some museums in London. As a community, we're honestly no better - nor worse than - others when documenting disturbing topics. In the end, humanity is attracted to the taboo, and there's not really much we can do about it. If the LMW were to ban NSFL topics, one can guarantee somebody will make an alternative wiki or website just to document these cases and more.

Finally, regarding the article requests section... It's great really. I have to say it, SenaUW probably has the most thankless task in the LMW, by pruning all the articles that are well-below the thankfully high standards the Wiki imposes. Back last year when I was at my most active, there were tons of newly-created articles written by users who frankly put no effort into writing, researching, structuring, or do anything that makes their "finished product" barely acceptable. Makes me worried about the fate of humanity, hopefully they don't produce similar content in education or at work! All one needs to do is beef up that first revision, and SenaUW et al will let it be. So, if anything, the requests section is perfect, as those who are passionate about lost media can ask for their favourite pieces to be documented. In time, the next grand writers like ‎Jackstone, Maotron, or DemKnux will cover them. 2023 has been a fantastic year for new LMW articles, as thanks to the three aforementioned folks plus others, a ton of well-written and well-researched articles have come to fruition, which is great for the Wiki's future. And far less junk this time around too, which is always a plus.

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Post by darkrage6 on Aug 1, 2023 20:00:59 GMT

If someone wants to make a wiki or alternate forum just for NSFL topics that's fine by me, I just don't want them taking up space alongside talk of actual significant pieces of lost media that aren't in horribly bad taste and at risk of actual legal action.

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Jul 31, 2023 20:51:42 GMT co said:

Jul 31, 2023 18:18:13 GMT sigmahero045 said:

I'm interested in number 4! A big agree on these 4 points of yours, perhaps there's some way we could help these kids integrate better here even if it is a normal human reaction trying to get attention, clickbait is as old as the world itself.

Ask and you shall receive: forums.lostmediawiki.com/thread/10956/1967-1968

This one is a challenge due to how old and the limited amount of contacts. But I don't think it's impossible to recover, especially if there are some episodes online.

I was skimming the thread and I'm intrigued to see if more comes out of it. I'm reminded of Mary Kay & Johnny from the 1950s with how different and historical it sounds, which makes for a great surrogate kind of search since MK&J is likely 100% lost unless someone managed to record any snippet of it back then.

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Jul 31, 2023 0:33:24 GMT surrealkangaroo said:

I get where you are coming from. It doesn’t really bother me though. I wish some lesser known cases of lost media would gain more traction, but you can’t force people to get into things they aren’t.

yeah i feel the same about the lesser known cases of lost media.

hmmmm

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Aug 1, 2023 23:56:20 GMT forlornjackalope said:

Jul 31, 2023 20:51:42 GMT co said:

Ask and you shall receive: forums.lostmediawiki.com/thread/10956/1967-1968

This one is a challenge due to how old and the limited amount of contacts. But I don't think it's impossible to recover, especially if there are some episodes online.

I was skimming the thread and I'm intrigued to see if more comes out of it. I'm reminded of Mary Kay & Johnny from the 1950s with how different and historical it sounds, which makes for a great surrogate kind of search since MK&J is likely 100% lost unless someone managed to record any snippet of it back then.

I've never heard of Mary Kay and Johnny, is there an article on it?

Yeah I think the only reason I avoid older obscure media like this is that the search becomes more difficult. But would be cool if it were found. Another search somebody on here told me about was a 3D movie that's never been released outside of theaters? I gotta through all of my reply posts for that one though.

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"Mary Kay & Johnny" is not completely lost, fortunately.

Woah, this is great to hear! I take it that some new findings have come out since the video Oddity Archive did on DuMont came out then. Do you know what's left by any chance? I hope this means the Gallery of Madame Liu-Tsong has some kind of chance as well since that premise sounded cool as well.

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