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Princess Viola
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I'm very tired and irrtated with this community Jan 23, 2024 6:06:23 GMT MantleM likes this

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Post by Princess Viola on Jan 23, 2024 6:06:23 GMT

Jan 23, 2024 3:38:04 GMT ziggycashmere said:

Jan 23, 2024 0:47:37 GMT Princess Viola said:

I was gonna post this in the 'What's one thing you hate about lost media hunting?' thread but this thread seems a bit of a better fit for this (since it's not really about lost media hunting itself), but I really wish people in the lost media community would understand that just because something isn't freely available to view or download on the internet that doesn't make it 'lost media'.

If you can go onto eBay, Amazon, or any other online marketplace and find physical copies of something for sale, then it is objectively not lost.

To be fair, this is relative. Just because something is available physically doesn't really mean it's easily available. For example, if a bunch of VHS tapes are for sale for something that can't be watched in any other format, then I would consider that lost, regardless of how easy it is to get the tape. This is when lost media breaches over with preservation. Everything lost isn't preserved, but everything that isn't preserved isn't necessarily lost either. The true definition of lost media is something that is not known to exist anywhere, and that has not been the case for a majority of cases within the LMW. We knew copies of Episode 847 existed, same with screener copies of Glago's Guest, the VHS of the Barnyard pilot, and many, many more. It's a case by case basis. Personally I think if a piece of media is not readily available legally or illegally without having to buy a physical copy second hand, I consider it lost within the modern sense of the phrase. But everyone understands the phrase differently.

I do get what you're saying and I feel I probably should have explained my thoughts on people who want to find something 'lost' but also isn't lost media (by the strictest definition of the term, I'll admit here I'm not a lost media 'purist' or whatever lol) because it has physical copies available.

If it's something that is exceedingly rare, expensive, or in a format not a lot of people will be able to play, like LaserDisc, Betamax, or VHS (because I have to accept that I am a weird one in 2024 for having three VCRs, apparently), yeah I do totally get that and am fine with considering that lost media, but then you get people who're looking for something and it's easily purchasable on DVD for like $20-30. To me, something like that ain't lost - it isn't rare, it's not expensive, and it's not on an obscure/outdated format (OK I mean I guess DVDs are technically 'outdated' in the face of BDs and streaming but you know what I mean).

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Post by darkrage6 on Jan 23, 2024 8:32:44 GMT

Jan 23, 2024 6:06:23 GMT Princess Viola said:

Jan 23, 2024 3:38:04 GMT ziggycashmere said:

To be fair, this is relative. Just because something is available physically doesn't really mean it's easily available. For example, if a bunch of VHS tapes are for sale for something that can't be watched in any other format, then I would consider that lost, regardless of how easy it is to get the tape. This is when lost media breaches over with preservation. Everything lost isn't preserved, but everything that isn't preserved isn't necessarily lost either. The true definition of lost media is something that is not known to exist anywhere, and that has not been the case for a majority of cases within the LMW. We knew copies of Episode 847 existed, same with screener copies of Glago's Guest, the VHS of the Barnyard pilot, and many, many more. It's a case by case basis. Personally I think if a piece of media is not readily available legally or illegally without having to buy a physical copy second hand, I consider it lost within the modern sense of the phrase. But everyone understands the phrase differently.

I do get what you're saying and I feel I probably should have explained my thoughts on people who want to find something 'lost' but also isn't lost media (by the strictest definition of the term, I'll admit here I'm not a lost media 'purist' or whatever lol) because it has physical copies available.

If it's something that is exceedingly rare, expensive, or in a format not a lot of people will be able to play, like LaserDisc, Betamax, or VHS (because I have to accept that I am a weird one in 2024 for having three VCRs, apparently), yeah I do totally get that and am fine with considering that lost media, but then you get people who're looking for something and it's easily purchasable on DVD for like $20-30. To me, something like that ain't lost - it isn't rare, it's not expensive, and it's not on an obscure/outdated format (OK I mean I guess DVDs are technically 'outdated' in the face of BDs and streaming but you know what I mean).

That is true, though it does get a bit complicated if that DVD only came out overseas as some places won't ship to the US. Like there's one really rare movie that only came out on DVD in South Africa and I couldn't find it for sale anywhere, thankfully someone uploaded it on Cinemageddon last year finally.

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Post by sakuraradiochan on Jan 25, 2024 6:41:28 GMT

"Lost media" meaning "this is more than $50 to buy, it's lost!" There's a case to be made that if something is only known to be located in, say, the BFI it is effectively lost media, but if it was available for sale at one point and copies can be found for a reasonable price for something that was only printed once, it's not really "lost".

princess Viola

I respectfully disagree with your take. VHS players aren't very hard to get and there's very few things that are exclusively available on VHS at this point, aside from TV broadcasts. If you want a off air copy of Reagan's speech after the Challenger incident as broadcast on ABC, that's one thing, but that's also an extremely specific thing.

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Post by darkrage6 on Jan 25, 2024 18:44:15 GMT

Jan 25, 2024 6:41:28 GMT sakuraradiochan said:

"Lost media" meaning "this is more than $50 to buy, it's lost!" There's a case to be made that if something is only known to be located in, say, the BFI it is effectively lost media, but if it was available for sale at one point and copies can be found for a reasonable price for something that was only printed once, it's not really "lost".

princess Viola

I respectfully disagree with your take. VHS players aren't very hard to get and there's very few things that are exclusively available on VHS at this point, aside from TV broadcasts. If you want a off air copy of Reagan's speech after the Challenger incident as broadcast on ABC, that's one thing, but that's also an extremely specific thing.

There's actually a lot of obscure films that are only on VHS

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Post by Princess Viola on Jan 26, 2024 2:02:55 GMT

Jan 25, 2024 6:41:28 GMT sakuraradiochan said:

"Lost media" meaning "this is more than $50 to buy, it's lost!" There's a case to be made that if something is only known to be located in, say, the BFI it is effectively lost media, but if it was available for sale at one point and copies can be found for a reasonable price for something that was only printed once, it's not really "lost".

princess Viola

I respectfully disagree with your take. VHS players aren't very hard to get and there's very few things that are exclusively available on VHS at this point, aside from TV broadcasts. If you want a off air copy of Reagan's speech after the Challenger incident as broadcast on ABC, that's one thing, but that's also an extremely specific thing.

I never said anything about VCRs being difficult to get, but most people aren't going to go out and buy one just to watch something only available on videotape in 2024.

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Post by senshisun on Jan 27, 2024 7:35:33 GMT

Libraries might have VHS players. My university library had a whole collection of them.

The community can be tiring, but I'm not sure how much of it is new. I remember writing a long post in the Clock Man thread because people kept suggesting things we had already checked or debunked. People have always been giving posts vague titles or putting them in the wrong categories. As for people going wild over obscure, pointless stuff, it's going to be incredibly hard to beat A Day With Spongebob. That DVD was never produced and it had pages of posts.

It's much harder to have a conversation about content when you don't speak the language.

Treehouse TV is probably overrepresented because most of their short shows weren't given official releases. They were made to comply with Canadian broadcasting laws.

One more note: the kids now? They grew up post-streaming. They grew up with HD video. They grew up with digital voice assistants. They're used to having information about anything right away. It's tiring to see so many posts coming from that mindset, but try not to take it personally.

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Post by Princess Viola on Jan 23, 2024 6:06:23 GMT

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