Legally speaking, sharing copies of unavailable material you don’t own the rights to is illegal. Morally and realistically speaking, it doesn’t hurt anyone and most of the time the company that owns what you’re sharing won’t care.
That's the thing. You stole my words, sir. I couldn't have said it better.
As almost everyone would agree, current copyright law is a joke. Copyright needs to be relaxed significantly. But that is a distant pipe dream because corporations with thick wallets who want even thicker wallets stand in the way.
Then there’s the Internet Archive itself, this is a website absolutely filled with treasure and absolute garbage.
One could argue "one man's trash is another man's treasure". Can you give an example for what you consider "garbage"?
A specific example? Not really. I know I've seen many instances where the IA is used as a file locker for random junk or stuff that does not need to be archived on that platform. For instance, there's tons of porn on there that is still widely available freely from their respective artists. Same thing goes for random audio recordings, anime and movies that are uploaded not to archive them but for piracy reasons, and etc. If you look just through the vague sections of videos and audio and what have you it's really hard to sift through the junk and stuff that's worth while, y'know?
Also happy you agree with the way copyright law is right now, it's a mess.
One could argue "one man's trash is another man's treasure". Can you give an example for what you consider "garbage"?
A specific example? Not really. I know I've seen many instances where the IA is used as a file locker for random junk or stuff that does not need to be archived on that platform. For instance, there's tons of porn on there that is still widely available freely from their respective artists. Same thing goes for random audio recordings, anime and movies that are uploaded not to archive them but for piracy reasons, and etc. If you look just through the vague sections of videos and audio and what have you it's really hard to sift through the junk and stuff that's worth while, y'know?
Also happy you agree with the way copyright law is right now, it's a mess.
There's this group where I live that archives a lot of film reels, and they had a massive porn collection. But you probably don't mean vintage porn based on your wording.
A specific example? Not really. I know I've seen many instances where the IA is used as a file locker for random junk or stuff that does not need to be archived on that platform. For instance, there's tons of porn on there that is still widely available freely from their respective artists. Same thing goes for random audio recordings, anime and movies that are uploaded not to archive them but for piracy reasons, and etc. If you look just through the vague sections of videos and audio and what have you it's really hard to sift through the junk and stuff that's worth while, y'know?
Also happy you agree with the way copyright law is right now, it's a mess.
There's this group where I live that archives a lot of film reels, and they had a massive porn collection. But you probably don't mean vintage porn based on your wording.
Notice how I said
[porn that] is still widely available freely from their respective artists.
so yeah. Vintage porn I'm cool with being archived, there's a lot of importance there. I've just seen a lot of stuff from modern porn artists and studios being uploaded purely for leisure purposes. No educational or preservation reasons.
Post by lostmedia1975 on Oct 19, 2023 21:22:47 GMT
Just curious, how’s version 2 of the handbook coming along? I absolutely enjoyed the book so far, so I’m looking forward to future versions of it.
By the way, I had another idea for the “making contact” chapter, where I believe it’s also noting that (from what I heard) when reaching out to crew members, one must use a real name, otherwise their email will be reported as spam and deleted. It could be helpful. Aside from that little nitpick, it’s an otherwise great read.
Last Edit: Oct 19, 2023 21:28:07 GMT by lostmedia1975
Just curious, how’s version 2 of the handbook coming along? I absolutely enjoyed the book so far, so I’m looking forward to future versions of it.
By the way, I had another idea for the “making contact” chapter, where I believe it’s also noting that (from what I heard) when reaching out to crew members, one must use a real name, otherwise their email will be reported as spam and deleted. It could be helpful. Aside from that little nitpick, it’s an otherwise great read.
Thanks for the suggestion! So far I don't have any plans for any significant additions within the book. It was suggested to me I could make a series of books the same size focusing on specific subjects such as preservation or deep research and have that as a set, each one being a different color cover. It's cute in theory as an aesthetic though I don't know how practical it'd be. If you have any suggestions for anything big to add I'd be happy to listen, but for now I think I've covered all the basics I can.
And yes it's usually good to use your real name when contacting someone from the crew, not only does it discourage false alarms but it's just professional courtesy. People do not use aliases in a professional setting, and when it comes to contacting people who are professionals, you need to respect that expectation. The only time I use aliases is when the person I am contacting is someone I am not comfortable having my name for specific reasons (like if they may be a problematic person).
Just curious, how’s version 2 of the handbook coming along? I absolutely enjoyed the book so far, so I’m looking forward to future versions of it.
By the way, I had another idea for the “making contact” chapter, where I believe it’s also noting that (from what I heard) when reaching out to crew members, one must use a real name, otherwise their email will be reported as spam and deleted. It could be helpful. Aside from that little nitpick, it’s an otherwise great read.
Thanks for the suggestion! So far I don't have any plans for any significant additions within the book. It was suggested to me I could make a series of books the same size focusing on specific subjects such as preservation or deep research and have that as a set, each one being a different color cover. It's cute in theory as an aesthetic though I don't know how practical it'd be. If you have any suggestions for anything big to add I'd be happy to listen, but for now I think I've covered all the basics I can.
And yes it's usually good to use your real name when contacting someone from the crew, not only does it discourage false alarms but it's just professional courtesy. People do not use aliases in a professional setting, and when it comes to contacting people who are professionals, you need to respect that expectation. The only time I use aliases is when the person I am contacting is someone I am not comfortable having my name for specific reasons (like if they may be a problematic person).
I see. Just curious, will the book still be getting revisions, even if they aren’t significant ones?
Also, just an unrelated update, I did recently find a new email for one of the land before time’s animators, darkrage6 already sent an email, so it’s a matter of time. But like you suggested, I need to spread the word of my search wider than spreading opens my cheeks-I MEAN, spreading like a wildfire! Yeah, that’s what I meant….
But anyways, would you happen to know any good animation communities I can pitch the search to in particular? I already tried the land before time wiki, but it didn’t really gain any traction (it got a whopping 0 responses), so yeah.
Last Edit: Oct 21, 2023 19:45:00 GMT by lostmedia1975
There's this group where I live that archives a lot of film reels, and they had a massive porn collection. But you probably don't mean vintage porn based on your wording.
Notice how I said
[porn that] is still widely available freely from their respective artists.
so yeah. Vintage porn I'm cool with being archived, there's a lot of importance there. I've just seen a lot of stuff from modern porn artists and studios being uploaded purely for leisure purposes. No educational or preservation reasons.
Porn and lost media is actually a really interesting intersection due to how inherently disposable the medium is in the internet age, and obviously how intimate and mind altering the stuff is. I'd have to make a separate thread about that discussion, but this little section of this thread had me thinking a bit.
Notice how I said so yeah. Vintage porn I'm cool with being archived, there's a lot of importance there. I've just seen a lot of stuff from modern porn artists and studios being uploaded purely for leisure purposes. No educational or preservation reasons.
Porn and lost media is actually a really interesting intersection due to how inherently disposable the medium is in the internet age, and obviously how intimate and mind altering the stuff is. I'd have to make a separate thread about that discussion, but this little section of this thread had me thinking a bit.
Yeah there's one porn film i've been looking for for years: [redacted]
Last Edit: Oct 24, 2023 22:23:44 GMT by SenaUW: Removing NSFW link
I was gonna create a thread for it, but then I remembered this existed so I might as well post it here because it's useful for lost media research as a whole.
This is my current list of useful web search engines besides google. Most people search only on google, even when using syntax sometimes certain sites won't appear on google! These sites have been a big help in all my searches, both lost media and other topics.
Duckduckgo - this is the most vanilla google alt. out there, they even have commercials on TV these days. However, the quality of this engine is excellent, it even has syntaxes like google does. Been my go-to search engine for years. Has a lite version for older computers. If the lite version doesn't work out or you want it even more stripped down there's Frogfind, which is basically duckduckgo without the cruft. Just be aware that Frogfind only does the first page of search results, for some people that's all they need, but for bigger searches it might not be useful.
Qwant - similar privacy focus to duckduckgo, but less features. Not too bad though.
Margnalia - this is a search engine dedicated to searching non-commercial and smaller websites. This is incredible for finding information on a topic for multiple reasons.
Wiby - similar focus on smaller sites and blogs like Margnalia, but I have found it less accurate overall. Still useful to have around though.
Dogpile and Metacrawler - super old school search engines. Since they've been around for years, they have some interesting results. Nothing too special though.
Mojeek - mojeek is one of the few search engines left that doesn't use results from other search engines, which makes it very unique. I have found it very useful multiple times.
Yacy, Disroot, Spot, and Sear-x - self hosted searches that pretty much search every site under the sun. Yacy is probably more suited for academia than lost media searches, but could still be useful. These sites are the last ones I use for every search deep dive I do.
I was gonna create a thread for it, but then I remembered this existed so I might as well post it here because it's useful for lost media research as a whole.
This is my current list of useful web search engines besides google. Most people search only on google, even when using syntax sometimes certain sites won't appear on google! These sites have been a big help in all my searches, both lost media and other topics.
Duckduckgo - this is the most vanilla google alt. out there, they even have commercials on TV these days. However, the quality of this engine is excellent, it even has syntaxes like google does. Been my go-to search engine for years. Has a lite version for older computers. If the lite version doesn't work out or you want it even more stripped down there's Frogfind, which is basically duckduckgo without the cruft. Just be aware that Frogfind only does the first page of search results, for some people that's all they need, but for bigger searches it might not be useful.
Qwant - similar privacy focus to duckduckgo, but less features. Not too bad though.
Margnalia - this is a search engine dedicated to searching non-commercial and smaller websites. This is incredible for finding information on a topic for multiple reasons.
Wiby - similar focus on smaller sites and blogs like Margnalia, but I have found it less accurate overall. Still useful to have around though.
Dogpile and Metacrawler - super old school search engines. Since they've been around for years, they have some interesting results. Nothing too special though.
Mojeek - mojeek is one of the few search engines left that doesn't use results from other search engines, which makes it very unique. I have found it very useful multiple times.
Yacy, Disroot, Spot, and Sear-x - self hosted searches that pretty much search every site under the sun. Yacy is probably more suited for academia than lost media searches, but could still be useful. These sites are the last ones I use for every search deep dive I do.
I was gonna create a thread for it, but then I remembered this existed so I might as well post it here because it's useful for lost media research as a whole.
This is my current list of useful web search engines besides google. Most people search only on google, even when using syntax sometimes certain sites won't appear on google! These sites have been a big help in all my searches, both lost media and other topics.
Duckduckgo - this is the most vanilla google alt. out there, they even have commercials on TV these days. However, the quality of this engine is excellent, it even has syntaxes like google does. Been my go-to search engine for years. Has a lite version for older computers. If the lite version doesn't work out or you want it even more stripped down there's Frogfind, which is basically duckduckgo without the cruft. Just be aware that Frogfind only does the first page of search results, for some people that's all they need, but for bigger searches it might not be useful.
Qwant - similar privacy focus to duckduckgo, but less features. Not too bad though.
Margnalia - this is a search engine dedicated to searching non-commercial and smaller websites. This is incredible for finding information on a topic for multiple reasons.
Wiby - similar focus on smaller sites and blogs like Margnalia, but I have found it less accurate overall. Still useful to have around though.
Dogpile and Metacrawler - super old school search engines. Since they've been around for years, they have some interesting results. Nothing too special though.
Mojeek - mojeek is one of the few search engines left that doesn't use results from other search engines, which makes it very unique. I have found it very useful multiple times.
Yacy, Disroot, Spot, and Sear-x - self hosted searches that pretty much search every site under the sun. Yacy is probably more suited for academia than lost media searches, but could still be useful. These sites are the last ones I use for every search deep dive I do.
What about Yandex
Yandex is already mentioned in the handbook, but that's a pretty good site too! I just hate how it asks for captcha every 5 seconds whenever I try to use it.
