Unfortunately people will keep this thread going until it’s locked by an admin. Even then they’ll try making a new one unless a proper warning is enforced. For all we know Greg could turn to action against the LMW for allowing stuff like this to happen in the first place, I say lock the thread and delete the article before things escalate.
Last Edit: May 4, 2021 22:41:54 GMT by nostalgiaguy
Unfortunately people will keep this thread going until it’s locked by an admin. Even then they’ll try making a new one unless a proper warning is enforced. For all we know Greg could turn to action against the LMW for allowing stuff like this to happen in the first place, I say lock the thread and delete the article before things escalate.
Wise words. Let the suicide/murder/gore stuff remain underground, outside the brand and official association with the LMW
I think some of those obsessed with this particular quest should consider that Greg Chubbuck most probably never actually saw his sister's final moments (I remember reading that she picked a day when some of her relatives wouldn't be watching the show due to a doctor's visit or something). Quite obvious, I know - but just consider that these recent developments are pushing a man going through the latter stages of his life to not only have to take legal action against some morbid kids, but also putting him on the verge of actually listen to his sister's death, even unwittingly. There is real danger that the most traumatic experience in a human being's life will materialize in front of him, without him being able to escape it. It's out there. He has no real control over it anymore. No one does.
It's turning someone's worse nightmare into reality. It's conjuring a ghost, but a ghost that will haunt someone else and that you just don't know how to cast out. It's despicable. And what good does it bring? Do we have to keep this all going just because some random people on the internet feel they are somehow entitled to have access to the whole thing?
Someone may be sending the audio to Mr. Gailbraith right now, for instance, just because one wants to know so bad if it's real. Someone may be looking for family members with the same purpose. Once this audio clip is out, and assuming it is real, none of us can stop this from happening. But we can choose if we want to have a part on it or not.
This audio should have never surfaced in the first place. Unfortunately it did. It was a mistake, and a very hurtful one to people that should be well left alone.
But there's something that can still be done. Lock the thread. Delete the article. It's the only right thing to do right now.
I think some of those obsessed with this particular quest should consider that Greg Chubbuck most probably never actually saw his sister's final moments (I remember reading that she picked a day when some of her relatives wouldn't be watching the show due to a doctor's visit or something). Quite obvious, I know - but just consider that these recent developments are pushing a man going through the latter stages of his life to not only have to take legal action against some morbid kids, but also putting him on the verge of actually listen to his sister's death, even unwittingly. There is real danger that the most traumatic experience in a human being's life will materialize in front of him, without him being able to escape it. It's out there. He has no real control over it anymore. No one does.
It's turning someone's worse nightmare into reality. It's conjuring a ghost, but a ghost that will haunt someone else and that you just don't know how to cast out. It's despicable. And what good does it bring? Do we have to keep this all going just because some random people on the internet feel they are somehow entitled to have access to the whole thing?
Someone may be sending the audio to Mr. Gailbraith right now, for instance, just because one wants to know so bad if it's real. Someone may be looking for family members with the same purpose. Once this audio clip is out, and assuming it is real, none of us can stop this from happening. But we can choose if we want to have a part on it or not.
This audio should have never surfaced in the first place. Unfortunately it did. It was a mistake, and a very hurtful one to people that should be well left alone.
But there's something that can still be done. Lock the thread. Delete the article. It's the only right thing to do right now.
I agree. I think I read the same thing you were mentioning: if I recall, she specifically planned it so her grandparents wouldn't see it; whether that extended to her brother (who was living with her at the time unlike portrayed in the movie) and her mother, I am not sure but it wouldn't seem far fetched. I've said it a thousand times but it pisses me off when people say that she wanted it to be seen by everyone. Yes, she specified that, but I think it is suspect at best and manipulative at worst to say that the wishes of a mentally ill woman were made in sound mind. Christine is sadly not here to explain herself, so if it is Greg's wishes to have this tape destroyed and forgotten so be it. In the same vein I find the people looking for Steve Irwin's tape to be equally icky. As I've said, I hate that this search has impeded Christine's other videos, the recordings of her beloved Suncoast Digest, to be not be released indefinitely even though they are all archived digitally by Mr. Newman. I would rather have those tapes be released, of her doing what she loved the most, than the tape of her death being released. Woulda, coulda, shoulda, I guess.
No, I'm not the one who wants to have an entire type of media banned from ever being mentioned because it offends me. I don't even care that much about the tape, I just find it absolutely disgusting by principle.
i want those in this thread insisting that the audio stay leaked/actual footage be leaked to think of greg's perspective- if you had a loved one blow their brains out on live television, you would Probably not want to see/hear/be reminded of it every day for the rest of your life while you're trying to heal from it bc losing someone you care about is hard enough, tenfold when its a blood relative. we all keep talking about what christine would've wanted but maybe think about what greg wants in present time and honor christine in better ways besides "oh my god thats the lady who KILLED HERSELF on live tv". im making it clear that *the audio is already out there* and if people are inclined and morbidly curious enough to seek it out, they know how to do that, there isn't anything more that can be done searchwise that doesn't involve breaking and entering and i hope to god nobody cares that much to the point of doing that. just let this lady And this search rest, the past 5-10 pages have been people arguing back and forth over whether or not this audio is real despite multiple confirmations that it is, all of this empty debate has spread to r/lostmedia as well.
something something mods come give input or insight on what to do with this thread
For me this case is closed, the audio is the closest thing everyone is going to get, be it real or fake. Even if the tapes somehow become public I will probably never watch them. I would advise people to start searching for something else that can be found and that possibly does not involve a person's death. With that said, I think that locking the thread and (expecially) deleting the article are going to achieve absolutely nothing.
For me this case is closed, the audio is the closest thing everyone is going to get, be it real or fake. Even if the tapes somehow become public I will probably never watch them. I would advise people to start searching for something else that can be found and that possibly does not involve a person's death. With that said, I think that locking the thread and (expecially) deleting the article are going to achieve absolutely nothing.
Your inane comments are doing absolutely nothing to prove your point. I just so happen to remember that one article of yours that was deleted on the Wiki due to, arguably, containing even more graphic material than the Chubbuck tape. Why is this the hill you want to die on?
For me this case is closed, the audio is the closest thing everyone is going to get, be it real or fake. Even if the tapes somehow become public I will probably never watch them. I would advise people to start searching for something else that can be found and that possibly does not involve a person's death. With that said, I think that locking the thread and (expecially) deleting the article are going to achieve absolutely nothing.
Fair enough, but I beg to differ. Locking the thread and deleting the article would signal that LMW as a whole doesn't want to have anything to do with the ugly side of this. Leave it to gore sites, because that's no longer about finding lost media (and I'm not sure it ever was): it's about gore. About someone having fun watching someone else die, regardless of how hurtful it is to their relatives, colleagues and friends. This particular quest belongs on Ogrish, Findadeath and their ilk, not on LMW. But that's just my take, of course.
I personally think there's a common misconception about lost media going on: that a certain media is "found" does not imply that it should be widely available. Footage of Owen Hart's death is not all "lost": some of it (captured by professional cameras present in the venue) is stored and preserved by WWF, and I think they do very well to keep it away from the public eye. There's no need to upload it on YouTube in order to consider it "found", and no one really needs to see it apart from the (very) occasional researcher. The same goes to Christine Chubbuck's final act: it is long confirmed that the video is not lost, but kept in storage and unavailable to the casual morbid viewer, which is the right think to do if you ask me. None of us need to see it, and I doubt someone will, in good faith, ever do - but I may be proven wrong, and the tape is still preserved for such a highly unlikely situation. It's not lost, it's just not available to people that have no business watching it.
I'm not the one perpetually whining abount other people's opinions on this matter, you are. It' not a lack of courage to suggest that certain topics are deleterious to the site/cause. Clearly I'm not alone in thinking that this tape is toxic either.
Your last 3 or so comments on this thread have been low investment, crassly worded remarks which seem to be aimed at stirring the pot, rather than contributing thoughtful discourse. I would even say it borders on trolling behavior, and considering the sensitive nature of this discussion, we ought to have none of that here.
No, I'm not the one who wants to have an entire type of media banned from ever being mentioned because it offends me. I don't even care that much about the tape, I just find it absolutely disgusting by principle.
Here's the thing. It's not about whether it's offensive to us, it's about whether it's offensive to the friends and family of the deceased. Or, hell, whether it's offensive to the deceased themselves. Like did we really need to go looking for Roro-chan's suicide? Seems pretty disrespectful to her that people would go out of their way to find her death footage for the sake of "archiving" (cough). Or the Timothy Treadwell tape. Do we really need to go looking for something that reminds his friends and family of a horrific tragedy? Same goes for Steve Irwin's death footage. Or Owen Hart's. The list goes on.
We have to remember that with incidents like these, these people don't exist in some vacuum, to be exploited for our entertainment. They had friends and family who will forever be without a precious loved one, and will forever be haunted by the fact that they went out the ways they did.
We really do not need to go out and look for such things. It hurts the cause of the LMW to be associated with these kinds of searches, and it hurts the friends and family of the deceased to know that sick freaks are out there trying to exploit their lost loved ones just to satisfy some sick kick.
