Now, if someone wants to ban me, go for it. But I've never actively threatened or insulted anyone because they disappeared with my opinions or made accusations about other people OR turned threads in on themselves like black holes. So if I get kicked out for telling off this dude, what ever, but someone has to do something.
Something needs to be done because this is becoming a weekly event.
I never "Threatened" anyone either you goddamn liar and no I never turned threads in on themselves fool. Those threads were already off track to begin with.
Don't make me laugh, you're not some kind of fucking martyr speaking out against oppression, you're just a whiny little shitlord who can't handle his misinformed opinions being criticized.
weekly event my ass, you're the one that started this shit this time around so don't you dare try to play victim here.
Quit it, both of you. Insulting each other won't help the situation in the slightest.
Moving on...
Just wanted to point that he started this not me, I was merely pointing out to LMJunkie that asking about NSFL content like that was pretty sick(and it is)and that other guy just butted in out of nowhere without anybody asking him for his opinion on the matter and he totally derailed the thread just to revive his petty grudge against me(which was pretty childish and immature if you ask me).
I'm more than happy to quit, i've long moved on but apparently he hasn't.
Anyways back on topic for unpopular opinions-I consider submitting articles to the wiki a complete waste of time and effort because of how often they get deleted for seemingly no reason at all. I did it a handful of times before I decided it wasn't worth the trouble and i've seen a few others on here have the same complaints.
Quit it, both of you. Insulting each other won't help the situation in the slightest.
Moving on...
Cool.
So, I know this came up in the Owen Hart thread, but I do think that so-called "NSFL" things need to be found and properly preserved, putting some kind of upper limit on things strikes me frankly kind of missing the point of preserving media and yes knowledge for as long as possible. I mean, everyone and their father has seen the Kennedy assassination film, it's been broadcast live on tv numerous times, and it shows far, FAR more gruesome stuff. Like a man's head exploding. And I've never seen it edited or censored in my life. If a literal real time video of a guy on a grassy knoll Lee Harvey Oswald blasting open a man's head never gets censored or listed as "NSFL" (to be frank I don't even recall any kind of warning for content or whatever being shown when it's broadcast) then something infinitely less bloody like a guy falling several stories and suffering, from what I understand, purely internal injuries shouldn't be either. The video of...the newswoman whose name I can't properly spell, so I won't insult her trying...killing herself really falls under the same aegis as the JFK video. Again, there have been shows, including a live documentary thing I recall from Fox back in the 90s, where they showed JFK's head caving in MULTIPLE TIMES including a "remastered" version to emphasize it. Soooo...what's the difference?
It's disturbing, obviously. I don't think anyone would argue otherwise. But it's information and needs to be properly preserved. Also this kind of came up in the aforementioned Owen Hart thread and I was going to mention it there but I had an internet hiccup, but yes that kind of, for lack of a better term, "exciting" or out there stuff does tend to attract more people who would normally be outside of the "sphere" as it were, who stumble on that kind of stuff while prowling the internet. There is a very good chance they'll probably fall down the rabbit hole and we can get more eyes on things that are far less insane.
People discover the concept of information and media preservation in odd ways. I literally accidentally found out lost media existed because I saw a video about Yeah Yeah Beebiss I and fell into a rabbit wormhole I've been crumbling into ever since, so it's more likely than unlikely the same will happen if someone stumbles into a thread about it after watching a Wrestling With Wregret video.
If you want to talk about preserving NSFL media, go to someplace like the sub-reddit Data Hoarder as there you'll find people talking about preserving Alex Jones videos and other sick crap like that. But this website is simply not the place to do it, the last thing we need is people outside the community viewing us as a bunch of sickos who like to watch footage of real life death. Chubbock's family getting harassed was a really bad look for the community as a whole and we do not need to deal with a headache like that again. No reason to paint a target on our backs for the moral crusaders.
Just cause "everyone's seen it" does not automatically make it OK to post the video everywhere. I saw that video of that Pennsylvania state treasurer(Bud something or other)killing himself only because it was part of a Jimquistion episode(specifically arguing that video game violence is nothing like real life violence), but just because I saw it there does not mean I want to see it on here.
The "difference" is this place has different rules then a broadcast network does, saying that just because it was broadcast on the news makes it OK to post here does not make any sense.
Post by thatgamingasshole on Nov 2, 2022 4:35:51 GMT
There is no real definition for "NSFL"/"NSFW" beyond broad generalities, most if not all varying wildly between individuals. I can tell you there are people who would think HIM is "NSFW"/"NSFL," people I know. But the same people market in fan translated Boys Love manga (google it) and see no contradiction. Neither one bothers me, honestly. Now I have no power over site rules (obviously, since if I did the site mascot would be a frisky fox girl) but it's all based on the personal beliefs of individual people. Which goes back around to how there is no actual definition for "NSFL"/"NSFW" as it's a broad generality.
As for who does and doesn't try to preserve the information, there is no morality or immorality there either. Nothing is more or less "sick" and no one, especially on the internet, can throw stones because even the entire clearnet is a gigantic glass black hole. Most network tv is...just watch an episode of Maury...
Completely unrelated, prowling YouTube for more videos about rare or obscure material should be more of a priority than just being on the hunt for anything in particular, because it allows for wider audiences to see the information. A lot of what people know about The Most Mysterious Song On The Internet came from the fact that Paul Baskerville, who has been involved with the search for the song for almost as long as everyone else, replayed it on his station and the original guy who posted the "what the fuck is this?" upload heard it by chance.
So showing someone video of rare materials on a wider scale, even if it seems more like an urban legend, could by pure chance find information. I'd almost suggest some kind of specific YouTube channel that shows specific updates and links to other people like LSuperSonicQ, Nexpo, All Things Lost, Blameitonjorge, Down The Rabbit Hole, Whang!, to get the word around.
If you want to talk about preserving NSFL media, go to someplace like the sub-reddit Data Hoarder as there you'll find people talking about preserving Alex Jones videos and other sick crap like that. But this website is simply not the place to do it, the last thing we need is people outside the community viewing us as a bunch of sickos who like to watch footage of real life death. Chubbock's family getting harassed was a really bad look for the community as a whole and we do not need to deal with a headache like that again. No reason to paint a target on our backs for the moral crusaders.
Just cause "everyone's seen it" does not automatically make it OK to post the video everywhere. I saw that video of that Pennsylvania state treasurer(Bud something or other)killing himself only because it was part of a Jimquistion episode(specifically arguing that video game violence is nothing like real life violence), but just because I saw it there does not mean I want to see it on here.
The "difference" is this place has different rules then a broadcast network does, saying that just because it was broadcast on the news makes it OK to post here does not make any sense.
If you’re talking about within the last year, no one contacted her family. The person who wrote an article after watching the footage the day of or after was contacted once and asked and the tweet quickly deleted and apologies quickly sent… and lesson learned. It should not have happened but was no where near on the level of contacting a family member.
If you want to talk about preserving NSFL media, go to someplace like the sub-reddit Data Hoarder as there you'll find people talking about preserving Alex Jones videos and other sick crap like that. But this website is simply not the place to do it, the last thing we need is people outside the community viewing us as a bunch of sickos who like to watch footage of real life death. Chubbock's family getting harassed was a really bad look for the community as a whole and we do not need to deal with a headache like that again. No reason to paint a target on our backs for the moral crusaders.
Just cause "everyone's seen it" does not automatically make it OK to post the video everywhere. I saw that video of that Pennsylvania state treasurer(Bud something or other)killing himself only because it was part of a Jimquistion episode(specifically arguing that video game violence is nothing like real life violence), but just because I saw it there does not mean I want to see it on here.
The "difference" is this place has different rules then a broadcast network does, saying that just because it was broadcast on the news makes it OK to post here does not make any sense.
If you’re talking about within the last year, no one contacted her family. The person who wrote an article after watching the footage the day of or after was contacted once and asked and the tweet quickly deleted and apologies quickly sent… and lesson learned. It should not have happened but was no where near on the level of contacting a family member.
the contacting the family members thing didn't happen last year, it happened a few years before that.
Anyways back on topic for unpopular opinions-I consider submitting articles to the wiki a complete waste of time and effort because of how often they get deleted for seemingly no reason at all. I did it a handful of times before I decided it wasn't worth the trouble and i've seen a few others on here have the same complaints.
I know how that feels. It's even worse when it hasn't been archived beforehand and becomes, quite ironically, lost.
Anyways back on topic for unpopular opinions-I consider submitting articles to the wiki a complete waste of time and effort because of how often they get deleted for seemingly no reason at all. I did it a handful of times before I decided it wasn't worth the trouble and i've seen a few others on here have the same complaints.
I know how that feels.
I don't know if adding articles is pointless, but I do know there seems to be some kind of mass skimming of articles. I mentioned this in another threads but I am literally CERTAIN that I saw an article about a lost movie which I genuinely Can! Not! Find! on the entire site, and my only conclusion is that it's been deleted. And yes, seemingly for no discernible reason. Considering I've seen people on the forum, people I assume have some degree of power based on having like "VIP" under their names on occasion, who seem literally terrified of "spam" articles, my only conclusion is that one or more people in charge is conducting some near-total erasure of articles to...I have no idea, to facilitate some personal view of what is or isn't "spam?"
Which is beyond meta, since lost media about lost media is now a thing.
Post by Princess Viola on Nov 2, 2022 16:10:17 GMT
Here's another unpopular opinion: just because something hasn't been uploaded onto the internet for anyone to download/watch/listen to/etc. doesn't make it lost media.
Not going to act like this is something that happens every day, but I have seen several times where people talk about some TV show or movie and act like it's totally lost but then it turns out you can easily find used (or sometimes even new!) copies for sale online on VHS or DVD.
I can understand if you're talking about something like a movie that only had a singular VHS release back in 1982 and it rarely shows up for sale online and whenever it does pop up for sale, it sells for hundreds of dollars. Stuff like that isn't technically lost, but it's so rare and expensive that it might as well be.
But something that people can easily find copies of for sale? Yeah sorry, but that shit ain't lost.
Here's another unpopular opinion: just because something hasn't been uploaded onto the internet for anyone to download/watch/listen to/etc. doesn't make it lost media.
I agree. By the way, would you believe I made a page for the Ghibli Museum shorts back in 2016 just because all but two of them (Mei and the Kittenbus and Mr. Dough and the Egg Princess) don't have full rips on the Internet? Yeah, that's what I figured "lost media" meant back then.
Not going to act like this is something that happens every day, but I have seen several times where people talk about some TV show or movie and act like it's totally lost but then it turns out you can easily find used (or sometimes even new!) copies for sale online on VHS or DVD.
I can understand if you're talking about something like a movie that only had a singular VHS release back in 1982 and it rarely shows up for sale online and whenever it does pop up for sale, it sells for hundreds of dollars. Stuff like that isn't technically lost, but it's so rare and expensive that it might as well be.
But something that people can easily find copies of for sale? Yeah sorry, but that shit ain't lost.
Again, agreed. The LJN Video Art and its cartridges are a good example of this in my opinion. Sure, they're undumped, but we still have footage of them.
Here's another unpopular opinion: just because something hasn't been uploaded onto the internet for anyone to download/watch/listen to/etc. doesn't make it lost media.
Not going to act like this is something that happens every day, but I have seen several times where people talk about some TV show or movie and act like it's totally lost but then it turns out you can easily find used (or sometimes even new!) copies for sale online on VHS or DVD.
I can understand if you're talking about something like a movie that only had a singular VHS release back in 1982 and it rarely shows up for sale online and whenever it does pop up for sale, it sells for hundreds of dollars. Stuff like that isn't technically lost, but it's so rare and expensive that it might as well be.
But something that people can easily find copies of for sale? Yeah sorry, but that shit ain't lost.
That's true, many shows i've seen labeled as "lost" were actually uploaded on private trackers many years ago or were available on Usenet(that was the case for the unaired pilot of The Cleveland Show as that's where I found it). I was surprised that Teen Angel was considered "lost" as was a good chunk of You Can't Do That on Television(incidentally I ended up being the one to upload the final 3 missing episodes of that show on TVV due to having gotten lucky enough to get them on a disc from someone on Sitcomsonline).