I've noticed a lot of people still doing this, some more than others (though I won't name any names). Am I the only one who feels like this shouldn't be allowed? Obviously it was necessary while the new site was still in development so we didn't have to rewrite everything, but now that we've broken off from them, there's no reason to do it anymore.
I tried to bring attention to this in the shoutbox a while ago, but it got buried pretty quickly. I just feel like if we decide it's okay to copy their articles, then there's no reason why the people over there wouldn't want to copy our articles as well. Also, it breaks the plagiarism rule -- given that both sites are currently running completely independent of each other, it's really no different than copying articles from Wikipedia or something.
Aside from the ethical issue, most of the articles on the old wiki suck hard, and putting them here only makes the site worse. We can't rely on another community to (sloppily) do our job for us. To me, it's just lazy and wrong. Can any staff members can weigh in on this just so there's a precedent about it? Right now it's a total grey area.
PLEASE somebody answer this. People are still doing it (2 new ones since I made that message) without even paying attention to whether the articles are obvious hoaxes.
I couldn't agree more with you on the fact that most of LMWikia's recent articles are garbage. What kills me is that, despite this, people are still porting 'em over here (mainly the "Lost Dub" stubbies), and some of our users are even updating articles there!
Honestly, I didn't see much harm for porting the good articles made there (which are about 1 out of 15 articles in general), but as you said, it gives LMWikia users a reason to port our own stuff too, so the best for the LMW would be convincing people from LMWikia (active users who write the above average articles) to give the independent site a chance.
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Honestly, I didn't see much harm for porting the good articles made there (which are about 1 out of 15 articles in general), but as you said, it gives LMWikia users a reason to port our own stuff too, so the best for the LMW would be convincing people from LMWikia (active users who write the above average articles) to give the independent site a chance.
I haven't been involved with either site for long, but I'm inclined to agree. Porting the good articles over is definitely a good idea, but it'd be best if the LMWikia users who actually create good articles would post 'em here.
Okay, time to castrate the underaged Wikia piglets. They have turned to cancer.
That wasn't what I meant. I hate the Wikia and its users as much as the next guy, but I still feel they have some right to NOT have their articles stolen from them and put in places they don't want it. Keep in mind, the article in question was written a long time after the site-move. Why do we get to act like we still have total control over them even though the admins have said MANY times that they've broken off and want nothing to do with them? Are we separate except for when it works to our advantage? If you sell your house to somebody, you don't get to come back 3 months later and take their microwave. Once you've given something up, it's not yours anymore. And therefore, it IS plagiarism to steal articles from an unaffiliated site.
Well, the talk of "stolen" content is nonsense, at least from their end. As with most Wikia sites, the content is available under CC-BY-SA.
This means that anyone can use their content, even a website on bad terms with it, provided that they attribute the source and share it under the same license.
So to fulfill the license, this site should simply be stating that the content was copied from LMW, and not claiming any additional copyright over it.
No contributor to the Wikia can claim full copyright as it's incompatible with the terms of the site.
Now, Lost Media Wiki uses a CC BY-NC license. This means attribution, again, as well as no entity being able to use the content for commercial purposes (i.e. a retail book). Nobody can claim full copyright or ownership to their text, again, under such a license.
This is trickier legally for the Wikia because their license doesn't prevent commercial use. So really, they shouldn't be copying Lost Media Wiki content, because it does contravene the license here. They would also need to attribute this Wiki.
So both sites are probably breaking each other's license a little bit, but the Wikia is the one that it's more troublesome for.
I'll also add that there's no "plagiarism" going on. This applies to Wikipedia too.
If people want to fully own their content and restrict its use they shouldn't be adding it to either Wiki. When you hit submit you agree to the terms of the Wiki and that is irrevocable.
Alright, so maybe it's not plagiarism in the eyes of the law, but it still goes against the site's rules:
Plagiarism will not be tolerated and will ultimately result in a ban for repeat offenders; the entire article must be your own, though direct quotes are acceptable (so long as they don't comprise the majority of the article's content).
There have been plenty of articles that were deleted for being Wikipedia copy/pastes, so I don't see why this is different.
Also, as far as this goes:
This means that anyone can use their content, even a website on bad terms with it, provided that they attribute the source and share it under the same license.
Retrogamefan9000 is usually good about mentioning who wrote the articles he copies over (though he does it in the submission notes, where nobody looks), but for the article in question, no indication was made whatsoever that it wasn't written by the person who created the page.
And I'm fine if I'm proven wrong on this matter. If dycaite came in here right now and told me to fuck off I would love that (not that I expect him to - just a little joke). I just want clearance on this issue one way or the other, and I'm getting a little upset that the mods have deliberately ignored it for this long.
Ok, well the rules of this site are different to the license I suppose, but certainly no user of either can cry foul if their content is copied elsewhere because the license allows it. Although the lack of attribution would technically mean that the license is being broken.
One note, since I didn't make it clear before - Retrogamefan wasn't the one who copied over this article. I only brought him up by name because he's another user that does this a lot (and I have less of an issue when he does it because he DOES give credit and also only copies the good articles)