Greetings Lost Media Wiki people! Until now, I have only been lurking on these forums, but have just now decided to join. I have a question that the more knowledgeable of you may be able to answer. As I'm sure a lot of you know, a good chunk of British television has been lost due to "junking" : Doctor Who, No Hiding Place and Z-Cars just to name a few. From what I've gathered the BBC, ITV and others hired firms to dispose of extraneous film copies of these shows. With that said, has ANYONE ever tried to find out the names of these firms and more importantly, find out WHAT the precise locations of these dumps are to attempt a recovery dig of some sort?
Also, this does not necessarily have to just deal with UK television and film. Has anyone heard of film dumps in North America, Europe or elsewhere?
Any and all relevant discussion on this topic is most welcome. In case you are wondering (I'm sure you are LOL) I have never attempted in such an undertaking and do not - in any way - advise people in starting digs without consulting relevant authority!
Anyway, I look forward to your responses. Thank you.
*Oops!* Please move this to the lost media section: my apologies.
Last Edit: Dec 12, 2017 3:36:20 GMT by antipontifex: Wrong section - sorry!
With regard to any agency that the BBC, or ITV, did business with during those, have been properly been combed by the likes of Phillip Morris, and Ian Levine. The official channels have pretty much been exhausted. Theories persist of private collectors refusing to return, or even mention it, as the BBC has pretty much been less than cooperative. The BBC had even tried sending cease and dessists to collector. Aside from that, if you were to look at South Africa, that had been sanctioned in the 70s, and didn't get television until mid-70s. To work around sanctions, many private individuals, and film libraries from that area would pay broadcast engineers, film collecters, et cetera, top dollar in order to secure reels. On the American side, 10 000 cuts is an extraordinary account of that time. on the British side, South Africa was situated close to Rhodesia (modern day Zimbabwe), and even though South Africa had no BBC links, Rhodesia was largely British. As mentioned previously, South Africa did not have ttv introduced until 1975, but during that time 8mm, a nd 16mm film projectors were a mainstay in every household, and common place. Since South Africa was sanctioned, illegal means were used to get copies of popular programs from abroad. The most famous example would be the Avengers, technically speaking, South African shouldn't have known about its existence, but the reels were very popular, and even resulted in a popular radio show in 1972. I have come accross quite a few of the catalogues of these film libraries, and every now and then, some of these collections will pop up at auction. When it comes to their preservation status, most South Africans are completely unaware, and most instances not even aware of the cultural significance of what they have. For lost British shows, Africa is your best bet.
Thank you for responding. As for Mr. Morris, I've definitely heard about him, but he has been notorious thus far in withholding details of his search. With that typed, it still does not prohibit someone else from attempting to discover information on the junking efforts on their own. After all, Mr. Morris has provided no timeline whatsoever for his reveal. I just hope others try and discover where these sites may be before it's too late.
The reason, why he's not forthcoming with information is collectors. One of the episodes that he had found was literally sold from right under his nose to a collector. With regard to those avenues, the official avenues have been exhausted already in the late 80s by fans, and collectors. Ian Levine is a prominent figure in that regard. Predating the lostmediawiki on the internet, you've got a website like missing-episodes. The majority of these episodes are found in private hands, the isntructions that were given out by the BBC, was not to merely dump it, but to destroy it, of course if the cost was to great to return. What would sometimes happen is they would resell it onto the market to collectors, or they wouldn't destroy, and merely dump it in a dumpster, two episodes of Dad's Army was found this way in the late 70s, two Doctor Who episodes were found this way in Australia in the same time period. Even when it was dumped, it wasn't done with any regard, they simply chucked it like they would any other piece of trash. If there was a location pinpointed, I can almost assure you, it has been redeveloped, but if we're being poistive, take a look at the amount of time, money, and effort, it takes to coordinate in the documentary, Atari: Game Over. The fact of the matter is there was piracy on a large scale during that period, this would be your best bet.
Over the years I've become familiar with the websites you have listed. In response, I just find it unsettling that this issue has become about a few personalities and not about research and sharing. Notwithstanding what you stated, I still do not see why someone cannot take the initiative to research and publish the names of the firms involved in the junkings as well as their locations. Frankly, this is what I really wanted to discuss.
It's cool if you wanna do that, I would suggest communicating with the guys on missing episodes. Some fo them already have the reseacrh that you will need to do that, depending on where you live, they sometimes might even ask you to go check something out. Very dedicated, very set on research, definitely a good place to start, especially in the doctor who forum.