Requesting the deletion of an article
Nov 26, 2024 22:57:01 GMT
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Post by jamaya on Nov 26, 2024 22:57:01 GMT
I would like to request the deletion of this article: lostmediawiki.com/%22LOL_SUPERMAN%22_(lost_World_Trade_Center_Plaza_footage_from_the_September_11th_attacks;_existence_unconfirmed;_2001)
The reasons I think it would be for the best if it were deleted are as follows:
1. There is absolutely nothing that proves this video ever existed on the internet. The September 11 Archive community has for over two years now searched for the video, they have been able to get into contact with multiple cameramen who were on the site that day, people who work with news crews and agencies, the September 11 Memorial Museum in New York, several large private video archives, and dozens of early internet archivists who are in their 40s and 50s and archived pretty much everything 9/11-related they came across - not a single individual or group mentioned here ever saw this supposed video, and several even believe it wouldn't be plausible for it to exist based on how it's described. The first mention of this supposed video was an anonymous post from 4chan's /x/ board - a place where a lot of creepypastas, ARGs, and hoaxes find their start. Ever since then, no two people who claim to have watched it many years ago have been able to describe the same video. In every single account something radically different happens, the location of the cameraman is different, the number of bodies changes, and they can't even say for sure how long the video was. The September 11 Archive community has stopped taking this seriously and the general consensus among the overwhelming majority of people in there is that this video is nothing more than an overblown urban legend/hoax.
2. The search has attracted all the wrong people. Over the past year and a half the search has attracted a lot of gore enthusiasts who view this video as a holy grail of gore content. The subreddit r/lolsuperman (which has now been deleted for reasons I'm about to get into) was created in November 2023. It became the only hub on the internet where people could search for this video after other lost media communities started banning people for posting about it so often. Over its year-long existence it has spread misinformation about early internet history, history pertaining to 9/11 content, as well as outright lies and long-debunked misconceptions about some of the victims. The worst of this is the harassment campaigns of people who they believe had something to do with either recording the video or knowing people who did - something which happened 4 times. The most infamous case was when cameraman Jack T. was forced to private several of his accounts and borderline leave the internet because the gore-addicts of Lol Superman kept spamming him and some even accusing him of censoring his own footage that is out there.
3. It stains the reputation of the September 11 Archive community. You will hear from many people in the 9/11 archival sphere that the Lol Superman hoax tends to be a huge pain in the ass for them, negatively affecting their public perception among other individual archivists and groups since this subject is possibly the most popular piece of 9/11 lost media there is. That, plus the Lol Superman search team's general behavior, which is well known among some archivist circles. The article itself being one of, if not the biggest sources still perpetuating the myth of Lol Superman really isn't helping.
4. Even if the video does by some miracle exist, should we really be advocating for it to be found, when it would be a troll video that would continue only be used by trolls to mock the victims of America's deadliest terrorist attack? I'd like to emphasize here that the Rorochan1999 Suicide Livestream article was deleted for very similar reasons to this.
The reasons I think it would be for the best if it were deleted are as follows:
1. There is absolutely nothing that proves this video ever existed on the internet. The September 11 Archive community has for over two years now searched for the video, they have been able to get into contact with multiple cameramen who were on the site that day, people who work with news crews and agencies, the September 11 Memorial Museum in New York, several large private video archives, and dozens of early internet archivists who are in their 40s and 50s and archived pretty much everything 9/11-related they came across - not a single individual or group mentioned here ever saw this supposed video, and several even believe it wouldn't be plausible for it to exist based on how it's described. The first mention of this supposed video was an anonymous post from 4chan's /x/ board - a place where a lot of creepypastas, ARGs, and hoaxes find their start. Ever since then, no two people who claim to have watched it many years ago have been able to describe the same video. In every single account something radically different happens, the location of the cameraman is different, the number of bodies changes, and they can't even say for sure how long the video was. The September 11 Archive community has stopped taking this seriously and the general consensus among the overwhelming majority of people in there is that this video is nothing more than an overblown urban legend/hoax.
2. The search has attracted all the wrong people. Over the past year and a half the search has attracted a lot of gore enthusiasts who view this video as a holy grail of gore content. The subreddit r/lolsuperman (which has now been deleted for reasons I'm about to get into) was created in November 2023. It became the only hub on the internet where people could search for this video after other lost media communities started banning people for posting about it so often. Over its year-long existence it has spread misinformation about early internet history, history pertaining to 9/11 content, as well as outright lies and long-debunked misconceptions about some of the victims. The worst of this is the harassment campaigns of people who they believe had something to do with either recording the video or knowing people who did - something which happened 4 times. The most infamous case was when cameraman Jack T. was forced to private several of his accounts and borderline leave the internet because the gore-addicts of Lol Superman kept spamming him and some even accusing him of censoring his own footage that is out there.
3. It stains the reputation of the September 11 Archive community. You will hear from many people in the 9/11 archival sphere that the Lol Superman hoax tends to be a huge pain in the ass for them, negatively affecting their public perception among other individual archivists and groups since this subject is possibly the most popular piece of 9/11 lost media there is. That, plus the Lol Superman search team's general behavior, which is well known among some archivist circles. The article itself being one of, if not the biggest sources still perpetuating the myth of Lol Superman really isn't helping.
4. Even if the video does by some miracle exist, should we really be advocating for it to be found, when it would be a troll video that would continue only be used by trolls to mock the victims of America's deadliest terrorist attack? I'd like to emphasize here that the Rorochan1999 Suicide Livestream article was deleted for very similar reasons to this.
