The Future Of Internet Archive

reverseshin
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The Future Of Internet Archive Sept 4, 2024 19:04:55 GMT via mobile

Post by reverseshin on Sept 4, 2024 19:04:55 GMT

So I Just Found out that the internet archive has lost there major lawsuit and now Many webpages, Books and Tv Shows are Being Purged andTaken Down From the Site. Company’s are Doing Massive Take Downs (Such as Viz and Aniplex), in Massive Numbers at a Time. I’m now afraid the internet archive will be taken down and lots of history will be lost to time forever and that we can’t stop it because companies have overpowered internet archive and Gotten finally exactly what they wanted (Especially with Recent Events of Many Sites Getting taken down, I’m not to surprised if they get internet Archive Taken Down)

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Post by strongfox on Sept 4, 2024 19:26:55 GMT

Sept 4, 2024 19:04:55 GMT reverseshin said:

So I Just Found out that the internet archive has lost there major lawsuit and now Many webpages, Books and Tv Shows are Being Purged andTaken Down From the Site. Company’s are Doing Massive Take Downs (Such as Viz and Aniplex), in Massive Numbers at a Time. I’m now afraid the internet archive will be taken down and lots of history will be lost to time forever and that we can’t stop it because companies have overpowered internet archive and Gotten finally exactly what they wanted (Especially with Recent Events of Many Sites Getting taken down, I’m not to surprised if they get internet Archive Taken Down)

Where are you getting this information? The only thing they went to court over was renting of books. This has nothing to do with EVERYTHING ELESE. If you have proof for mass take downs for everything else then post below. Everything else is safe

Last Edit: Sept 4, 2024 19:27:15 GMT by strongfox

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The Future Of Internet Archive Sept 4, 2024 22:02:48 GMT ModWalletGuy likes this

Post by greatwhite on Sept 4, 2024 22:02:48 GMT

Again with the doomsaying over IA, this is getting old. The people in charge of IA said nothing whatsoever about the site having to shut down, merely that they are reviewing the court's decision. From what I gather IA lost their appeal to the Circuit Court but they can still appeal to SCOTUS which could go either way. So no the sky is not falling just yet. The main books that were removed from the site were popular ones distributed by big mainstream publishers like the Hunger Games series. You're not likely to see the more obscure titles removed, I went through my favorites lists and so far i'm not seeing any of the titles i've favorited removed(likely because none of them were ever released in ebook form).

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The Future Of Internet Archive Sept 5, 2024 0:19:41 GMT via mobile

Post by strongfox on Sept 5, 2024 0:19:41 GMT

These are the companies that are no longer allowed on the site for book borrowing.

Plaintiff Publishers

Hachette Book Group
HarperCollins
Penguin Random House
Wiley

Other Publishers Coordinated by the Association of American Publishers (AAP)

American Chemical Society
American Reading Company
BiggerPockets Publishing
Bloomsbury
Bookpress Publishing
Cambridge University Press
Chronicle Books
De Gruyter
Elsevier
Fordham University Press
Getty Publications
Hansen Publishing Group
Harvard University Press
Holiday House-Peachtree-Pixel+Ink
Imbrifex Books
Lynne Rienner Publishers
Macmillan
MedMaster
Melville House Publishing
Moody Publishers
Pearson
Princeton University Press
Sage Publications
Scholastic
Simon & Schuster
Springer
Taylor & Francis
Teacher Created Materials
The American University in Cairo Press
University of California Press
University of Chicago Press
University of Massachusetts Press
University of Minnesota Press
University of Texas Press
University of Wisconsin Press
University Press of Colorado
Valancourt Books
W. W. Norton & Company
Wesleyan University Press
Wolters Kluwer
Yale University Press

The injunction does not affect our accessibility program—the removed books are still available to patrons with print disabilities.

^Directly taken from help.archive.org/help/why-are-so-many-books-listed-as-borrow-unavailable-at-the-internet-archive/

EDIT: This does not mean you can't upload books of those publishers either. It just means books in the book barrow program for those publishers are no longer allowed. Wheather those publishers will be quick to or continue to copyright take down individual books people upload? Only time will tell.

Last Edit: Sept 5, 2024 0:23:52 GMT by strongfox

greatwhite
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The Future Of Internet Archive Sept 5, 2024 0:56:55 GMT strongfox likes this

Post by greatwhite on Sept 5, 2024 0:56:55 GMT

So basically even with this decision there's nothing those publishers can do to stop some random people like us from scanning and uploading books, we just can't give the ability to temporarily lend them out. So essentially now everyone is just going to be reading them on IA all at once.

I doubt very much that publishers will want to pay Whack-A-Mole for individual users for every single book they've ever published, maybe they'll be harsher with the bigger titles like the aforementioned Hunger Games series but for the lesser known and older books I can't imagine they'll go to the same effort. It's like how the record companies tried to fight MP3s with the advent of file-sharing sites like Napster but eventually they had to throw in the towel and start trying to appeal to those types of people more leading to programs like iTunes and such and such. So perhaps you might publishers try to copy IA with the book borrowing thing only they charge you money to do it.

Pretty much all the stuff I read on IA is tie-in novels to TV shows and/or movies which their publishers have long forgotten about(as evidenced by how I NEVER see any of them available as ebooks on Kindle or elsewhere)so that should fortunately be safe.

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The Future Of Internet Archive Sept 5, 2024 1:05:21 GMT via mobile greatwhite likes this

Post by strongfox on Sept 5, 2024 1:05:21 GMT

Sept 5, 2024 0:56:55 GMT greatwhite said:

So basically even with this decision there's nothing those publishers can do to stop some random people like us from scanning and uploading books, we just can't give the ability to temporarily lend them out. So essentially now everyone is just going to be reading them on IA all at once.

I doubt very much that publishers will want to pay Whack-A-Mole for individual users for every single book they've ever published, maybe they'll be harsher with the bigger titles like the aforementioned Hunger Games series but for the lesser known and older books I can't imagine they'll go to the same effort. It's like how the record companies tried to fight MP3s with the advent of file-sharing sites like Napster but eventually they had to throw in the towel and start trying to appeal to those types of people more leading to programs like iTunes and such and such. So perhaps you might publishers try to copy IA with the book borrowing thing only they charge you money to do it.

Pretty much all the stuff I read on IA is tie-in novels to TV shows and/or movies which their publishers have long forgotten about(as evidenced by how I NEVER see any of them available as ebooks on Kindle or elsewhere)so that should fortunately be safe.

You have said it very well. Thank you for informing. Now people will stop fear mongering over the fake death of IA. Also if people really cared about the book to check them out for themselves they could easily just go to a library and check them out. Plus with hundreds of other file sharing book sites out there this is nothing in the greater black hole of book sharing.

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The Future Of Internet Archive Sept 5, 2024 1:58:59 GMT via mobile chris110, duckiguess, and 5 more like this

Post by SeventhRing on Sept 5, 2024 1:58:59 GMT

Sept 4, 2024 22:02:48 GMT greatwhite said:

Again with the doomsaying over IA, this is getting old. The people in charge of IA said nothing whatsoever about the site having to shut down, merely that they are reviewing the court's decision. From what I gather IA lost their appeal to the Circuit Court but they can still appeal to SCOTUS which could go either way. So no the sky is not falling just yet. The main books that were removed from the site were popular ones distributed by big mainstream publishers like the Hunger Games series. You're not likely to see the more obscure titles removed, I went through my favorites lists and so far i'm not seeing any of the titles i've favorited removed(likely because none of them were ever released in ebook form).

Thank you for this, I can now lock this thread. And remember everyone

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Post by reverseshin on Sept 4, 2024 19:04:55 GMT

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Post by greatwhite on Sept 4, 2024 22:02:48 GMT

Post by strongfox on Sept 5, 2024 0:19:41 GMT

Post by greatwhite on Sept 5, 2024 0:56:55 GMT

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Post by SeventhRing on Sept 5, 2024 1:58:59 GMT

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