Rose of Versailles 'phantom' episode

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Rose of Versailles 'phantom' episode Sept 20, 2023 21:31:34 GMT Kamui, extremewreck2000, and 1 more like this

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Post by paros on Sept 20, 2023 21:31:34 GMT

This one's a featured article right now, yay.

It's been my holy grail ever since I found out about its existence. The frustrating part is knowing that it's out there, and that at least one person has a copy (probably more considering it was such a popular series) but that they can't share it online for copyright reasons. They posted screenshots, ~~but I don't know if they've done anything else to preserve it~~. It's just slightly out of reach...

(edit: just in case anyone was planning to, don't message this person, they can't post it because of Japan's copyright laws)

From what I can tell, this episode is a super-condensed ending to the series. In certain areas, it was going to stop airing due to broadcast scheduling issues, so it was quickly put together as an ending for fans in those areas, while everyone else got to continue the series as normal.

It also doesn't help that the English-speaking fanbase is small (mostly because it took almost 5 decades for us to get an official English translation). So posting about it on here probably won't do much. I don't think anybody's made a thread here for it yet, anyways. I think it has more of a fanbase in some parts of Europe and Latin America, and I'm not sure if the episode's existence is common knowledge for them or not.

This is the contact page for TMS, if anyone is interested in showing demand for an official release. There also may or may not be a movie coming out for its 50th anniversary. That part's not super related, but now is probably a pretty good time to ask about it. ~~Also buy the manga and blu-ray if you can.~~

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Rose of Versailles 'phantom' episode Sept 20, 2023 23:07:37 GMT lammyvox, Kamui, and 3 more like this

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Post by MediaMonster on Sept 20, 2023 23:07:37 GMT

"I don't know if they've done anything else to preserve it." Look at the thread. They reply to another user (in English) stating that they converted their VHS to a DVD. So yes, they are making efforts to ensure it's archived. Regardless, there's no reason to contact them any further, and I hope no one from the forums/wiki pesters them.

I've said this in the past with lost media of this type: Unless TMS is interested in releasing this officially (which I personally doubt), your best bet of finding this is through buying blank VHS/Betamax tapes from Japan.

This is the nature of trying to find lost media from Japan, especially from this time period. I have some personal white whales I've been trying to find for years now, but I'm not holding my breath, haha.

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Rose of Versailles 'phantom' episode Sept 21, 2023 3:11:17 GMT extremewreck2000 and paros like this

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Post by oblivionaccess on Sept 21, 2023 3:11:17 GMT

Rose of Versailles is one of my favourite shows so this episode is something I'm insanely intrigued by. I recall hearing that it even adapts certain material from the manga that the regular anime never touched on, including a scene where Oscar is almost poisoned. Just knowing that it's been recorded by at least one person is honestly a miracle in and of itself, even if they aren't able to release it.

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Rose of Versailles 'phantom' episode Sept 21, 2023 7:03:05 GMT

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Post by paros on Sept 21, 2023 7:03:05 GMT

Sept 20, 2023 23:07:37 GMT MediaMonster said:

"I don't know if they've done anything else to preserve it." Look at the thread. They reply to another user (in English) stating that they converted their VHS to a DVD. So yes, they are making efforts to ensure it's archived. Regardless, there's no reason to contact them any further, and I hope no one from the forums/wiki pesters them.

I've said this in the past with lost media of this type: Unless TMS is interested in releasing this officially (which I personally doubt), your best bet of finding this is through buying blank VHS/Betamax tapes from Japan.

This is the nature of trying to find lost media from Japan, especially from this time period. I have some personal white whales I've been trying to find for years now, but I'm not holding my breath, haha.

Oh, I didn't notice that, good to know. I only added the link to show off the screenshots. + You're right, I should've been more clear about telling people not to message them.

That might be a good idea, though, I might look into that next time I need a reason to justify all the money I spend on international shipping, lol.

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Rose of Versailles 'phantom' episode Sept 21, 2023 8:42:54 GMT

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Post by sakuraradiochan on Sept 21, 2023 8:42:54 GMT

I hope whenever I go thru Japanese off air recorded tapes that I find something like this. (I've found lots of anime, but they're all stuff that got home media releases, but I'm sure there's someone out there who really wants to watch Gundam Wing as it originally aired.)

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Rose of Versailles 'phantom' episode Sept 23, 2023 19:10:33 GMT paros likes this

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Post by MediaMonster on Sept 23, 2023 19:10:33 GMT

Sept 21, 2023 7:03:05 GMT paros said:

Sept 20, 2023 23:07:37 GMT MediaMonster said:

"I don't know if they've done anything else to preserve it." Look at the thread. They reply to another user (in English) stating that they converted their VHS to a DVD. So yes, they are making efforts to ensure it's archived. Regardless, there's no reason to contact them any further, and I hope no one from the forums/wiki pesters them.

I've said this in the past with lost media of this type: Unless TMS is interested in releasing this officially (which I personally doubt), your best bet of finding this is through buying blank VHS/Betamax tapes from Japan.

This is the nature of trying to find lost media from Japan, especially from this time period. I have some personal white whales I've been trying to find for years now, but I'm not holding my breath, haha.

Oh, I didn't notice that, good to know. I only added the link to show off the screenshots. + You're right, I should've been more clear about telling people not to message them.

That might be a good idea, though, I might look into that next time I need a reason to justify all the money I spend on international shipping, lol.

If you ever decide to purchase tapes from Japan, I highly recommend starting off with small bundles of 5 to 10 tapes, so if you do get a junk lot it's not a total loss. Speaking from personal experience: be weary of lots that don't show the tape labels. I once purchased a lot where only a few of the labels were visible, and I later discovered that the tapes with missing labels had adult movies on them... of course, the seller never disclosed that in their listing, lol.

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Rose of Versailles 'phantom' episode Sept 23, 2023 19:15:32 GMT

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Post by MediaMonster on Sept 23, 2023 19:15:32 GMT

Sept 21, 2023 8:42:54 GMT sakuraradiochan said:

I hope whenever I go thru Japanese off air recorded tapes that I find something like this. (I've found lots of anime, but they're all stuff that got home media releases, but I'm sure there's someone out there who really wants to watch Gundam Wing as it originally aired.)

If your off air recordings have the commercials on them, I think they're definitely worth archiving. I've had Japanese archivists take my recordings from the Internet Archive, isolate the ads, and upload them to YouTube lmao. They're very desirable. Even if they don't have ads, some original broadcasts are highly sought after due to their audio. Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z are two examples of this I can think of off the top of my head.

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Rose of Versailles 'phantom' episode Sept 23, 2023 20:17:35 GMT

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Post by paros on Sept 23, 2023 20:17:35 GMT

Sept 23, 2023 19:10:33 GMT MediaMonster said:

Sept 21, 2023 7:03:05 GMT paros said:

Oh, I didn't notice that, good to know. I only added the link to show off the screenshots. + You're right, I should've been more clear about telling people not to message them.

That might be a good idea, though, I might look into that next time I need a reason to justify all the money I spend on international shipping, lol.

If you ever decide to purchase tapes from Japan, I highly recommend starting off with small bundles of 5 to 10 tapes, so if you do get a junk lot it's not a total loss. Speaking from personal experience: be weary of lots that don't show the tape labels. I once purchased a lot where only a few of the labels were visible, and I later discovered that the tapes with missing labels had adult movies on them... of course, the seller never disclosed that in their listing, lol.

Do you know if there's a reliable way to estimate the year/timeframe of unlabelled ones, like by the manufacturer or design or something? Or is it just a lucky (?) dip?

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Rose of Versailles 'phantom' episode Sept 23, 2023 21:51:26 GMT extremewreck2000 and paros like this

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Post by MediaMonster on Sept 23, 2023 21:51:26 GMT

Sept 23, 2023 20:17:35 GMT paros said:

Sept 23, 2023 19:10:33 GMT MediaMonster said:

If you ever decide to purchase tapes from Japan, I highly recommend starting off with small bundles of 5 to 10 tapes, so if you do get a junk lot it's not a total loss. Speaking from personal experience: be weary of lots that don't show the tape labels. I once purchased a lot where only a few of the labels were visible, and I later discovered that the tapes with missing labels had adult movies on them... of course, the seller never disclosed that in their listing, lol.

Do you know if there's a reliable way to estimate the year/timeframe of unlabelled ones, like by the manufacturer or design or something? Or is it just a lucky (?) dip?

It can be hard to tell, but sometimes the sellers will put an estimate for what year the tape is from in their item description. 80年-90年 is used for tapes that have programming from approx. the 1980s to the 1990s.

One more tip: If you see descriptions that specifically state what show is on the tape, it's most likely a scam. For some reason I see this a lot with Doraemon...

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Rose of Versailles 'phantom' episode Sept 24, 2023 17:18:49 GMT MediaMonster and extremewreck2000 like this

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Post by sakuraradiochan on Sept 24, 2023 17:18:49 GMT

Sept 23, 2023 19:15:32 GMT MediaMonster said:

Sept 21, 2023 8:42:54 GMT sakuraradiochan said:

I hope whenever I go thru Japanese off air recorded tapes that I find something like this. (I've found lots of anime, but they're all stuff that got home media releases, but I'm sure there's someone out there who really wants to watch Gundam Wing as it originally aired.)

If your off air recordings have the commercials on them, I think they're definitely worth archiving. I've had Japanese archivists take my recordings from the Internet Archive, isolate the ads, and upload them to YouTube lmao. They're very desirable. Even if they don't have ads, some original broadcasts are highly sought after due to their audio. Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z are two examples of this I can think of off the top of my head.

almost all the commercials are for gundam stuff lol

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Rose of Versailles 'phantom' episode Sept 25, 2023 19:59:18 GMT

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Post by MediaMonster on Sept 25, 2023 19:59:18 GMT

Sept 24, 2023 17:18:49 GMT sakuraradiochan said:

Sept 23, 2023 19:15:32 GMT MediaMonster said:

If your off air recordings have the commercials on them, I think they're definitely worth archiving. I've had Japanese archivists take my recordings from the Internet Archive, isolate the ads, and upload them to YouTube lmao. They're very desirable. Even if they don't have ads, some original broadcasts are highly sought after due to their audio. Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z are two examples of this I can think of off the top of my head.

almost all the commercials are for gundam stuff lol

lol, that makes sense. I wish you luck going through your Japanese broadcast tapes, and I hope you find something cool!!

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Post by sakuraradiochan on Sept 21, 2023 8:42:54 GMT

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Post by paros on Sept 23, 2023 20:17:35 GMT

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