If past bill attempts are anything to go by, KOSA will die, or otherwise be heavily challenged in court. We saw that when a small number of red states tried to pass laws banning websites that discuss abortion-those went nowhere (IMO) because that would mean FB, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, etc. would ALL have to logically be banned because abortion is definitely discussed there. And free speech and all that.
And TBH, while I originally started this bill with JUST KOSA discussion, I think it is also relevant to discuss social media censorship, past social media scandals, state level ID laws, parental notification laws, media censorship (like book bans, virtual included), challenges to free libraries, etc. considering all of this ties in together in a big knotted spiderweb.
This just makes my paranoia MUCH WORSE PAL as I MYSELF am a vulnerable individual(a gay 17 year old male in a red state known as Tennessee) & atheist(I like my sci-fi space video games thank you very much). The former in particular ESPECIALLY would mean that the bill would theoretically allow some homophobic women(who would likely be older & more physically capable than me, despite not really being "fat" myself) to find me & gangr*** me & it will be awful for me. Like, you clearly had no idea that I am a vulnerable individual & thus I am a perfect target for potential abusers.
There's no need for this kind of anxiety. Unless you personally wronged these hypothetical stalkers (I'm talking sending them threats/hate messages/giving them an actual reason to dislike you instead of just being a random gay person on the internet) then they have no reason to find you. And again, this is all hypothetical. A woman/multiple women spending money on a plane ticket to beat up a 17 year old is next level insanity, and I don't think that ANY one regardless of political background would be stupid enough to do that.
Most of the worry towards doxxing situations applies to social media "influencers" and those with a prominent internet presence like YouTubers. If you're just some guy, then no one is going to bother trying to find you. If you still feel paranoid, I would invest in a VPN.
"If you're just some guy, then no one is going to bother trying to find you."
You are going to have to realize that some evil people willing to mess people up are way smarter than that & they can take advantage of the fact that I am just some guy with barely much of a presence online as a way to make it so that, in the right places, they could make sure that I don't get any coverage, that I will not be able to prove that I was indeed r***d by them because no journalists were there(because who goes in such obscure part of an obscure town within a state most non-US people don't give an absolute darn about?) & no one will be able to catch the horrifying freaks. This isn't California we're talking about here, where news on things is taken for granted.
Thankfully, at least I fear of it happening, that way if it so seems that some woman/multiple women are out there wanting to do awful things to me, I'd probably know to take a run for it(and probably go 911 on them).
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Yeah. I kept seeing post about this on the staff picks on pixilart. Kinda scary tbh. The only upside to that stupid bill is the story potential. Hope it never passes.
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Yeah. I kept seeing post about this on the staff picks on pixilart. Kinda scary tbh. The only upside to that stupid bill is the story potential. Hope it never passes.
I mean, I am willing to believe that we might see a movie that's essentially a big, yet subtle jab at it.
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Post by extremewreck2000 on Sept 24, 2023 20:49:14 GMT
Considering how a fair bit of this is how it would be used to censor anything non-religious, I thought it'd be fitting to link to Gokai Orange's latest video about quite possibly one of the most horrifying & awful Chruch plays ever made & how in some ways it is kind of related to what pro-KOSA Bill can be like: www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h4E4h6Jk5k Trust me, the last parts of this play are something else & NOT in a good way.
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There's no need for this kind of anxiety. Unless you personally wronged these hypothetical stalkers (I'm talking sending them threats/hate messages/giving them an actual reason to dislike you instead of just being a random gay person on the internet) then they have no reason to find you. And again, this is all hypothetical. A woman/multiple women spending money on a plane ticket to beat up a 17 year old is next level insanity, and I don't think that ANY one regardless of political background would be stupid enough to do that.
Most of the worry towards doxxing situations applies to social media "influencers" and those with a prominent internet presence like YouTubers. If you're just some guy, then no one is going to bother trying to find you. If you still feel paranoid, I would invest in a VPN.
"If you're just some guy, then no one is going to bother trying to find you."
You are going to have to realize that some evil people willing to mess people up are way smarter than that & they can take advantage of the fact that I am just some guy with barely much of a presence online as a way to make it so that, in the right places, they could make sure that I don't get any coverage, that I will not be able to prove that I was indeed r***d by them because no journalists were there(because who goes in such obscure part of an obscure town within a state most non-US people don't give an absolute darn about?) & no one will be able to catch the horrifying freaks. This isn't California we're talking about here, where news on things is taken for granted.
Thankfully, at least I fear of it happening, that way if it so seems that some woman/multiple women are out there wanting to do awful things to me, I'd probably know to take a run for it(and probably go 911 on them).
"Hey, you just upload your ID when you login, we pinky promise swear we won't ever share it, or sell it for $$$, or outright get hacked, or become corrupted, or let the person who dislikes it use it for blackmail!" (ROLLS EYES)
Considering all of the recent data sharing scandals out of tons and tons of "normal social media sites," I'm gonna go with NAH on this one.
Considering how a fair bit of this is how it would be used to censor anything non-religious, I thought it'd be fitting to link to Gokai Orange's latest video about quite possibly one of the most horrifying & awful Chruch plays ever made & how in some ways it is kind of related to what pro-KOSA Bill can be like: www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h4E4h6Jk5k Trust me, the last parts of this play are something else & NOT in a good way.
The crazy thing is that at least in the Christian community, like no one can even agree on what version of the Bible is the "fully right" one. Watch the wild KJV only people come up and start censoring the more scholarly NIV version, and the ensuing chaos. There are groups within the religion who think we shouldn't be using any modern medicine, no divorce should be allowed period, women shouldn't wear pants, we should still follow dietary laws, we should actually be going to church on Saturdays, etc. And somehow we expect that these people somehow aren't a threat. If even more lax/diverse interpretations of Christianity are at threat, what does that mean for the non-religious? EDIT: Was watching the video and good lord, could they come up with a more stereotypical version of hell? Like seriously. And also the usual "all non-Christians are evil deviant trying to tempt you away" garbage. People can 100% be moral without religion, check out Japan or Taiwan for examples, it's called "If everyone follows their selfish desires, then we won't be able to advance and make life more comfortable for ourselves." Also, the mother working on Sunday? Like...people have to work on Sunday in several cases, think firefighters, police officers, government workers, hospital people, etc. Heck, one of the reasons that the working class is dropping out of church FASTER than the more educated elite (yes, I was surprised too) is that church has become a status symbol/community popularity contest/limited run event. Many working class people HAVE to work on Sundays and many churches offer few other options for worship services. Ridiculous.
Yeah. I kept seeing post about this on the staff picks on pixilart. Kinda scary tbh. The only upside to that stupid bill is the story potential. Hope it never passes.
I hate to hear it, but I'm glad it's getting more attention. Hopefully nipped in the bud ASAP.
Considering how a fair bit of this is how it would be used to censor anything non-religious, I thought it'd be fitting to link to Gokai Orange's latest video about quite possibly one of the most horrifying & awful Chruch plays ever made & how in some ways it is kind of related to what pro-KOSA Bill can be like: www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h4E4h6Jk5k Trust me, the last parts of this play are something else & NOT in a good way.
The crazy thing is that at least in the Christian community, like no one can even agree on what version of the Bible is the "fully right" one. Watch the wild KJV only people come up and start censoring the more scholarly NIV version, and the ensuing chaos. There are groups within the religion who think we shouldn't be using any modern medicine, no divorce should be allowed period, women shouldn't wear pants, we should still follow dietary laws, we should actually be going to church on Saturdays, etc. And somehow we expect that these people somehow aren't a threat. If even more lax/diverse interpretations of Christianity are at threat, what does that mean for the non-religious? EDIT: Was watching the video and good lord, could they come up with a more stereotypical version of hell? Like seriously. And also the usual "all non-Christians are evil deviant trying to tempt you away" garbage. People can 100% be moral without religion, check out Japan or Taiwan for examples, it's called "If everyone follows their selfish desires, then we won't be able to advance and make life more comfortable for ourselves." Also, the mother working on Sunday? Like...people have to work on Sunday in several cases, think firefighters, police officers, government workers, hospital people, etc. Heck, one of the reasons that the working class is dropping out of church FASTER than the more educated elite (yes, I was surprised too) is that church has become a status symbol/community popularity contest/limited run event. Many working class people HAVE to work on Sundays and many churches offer few other options for worship services. Ridiculous.
Makes me glad that I eventually got smart enough to look past my abusive mom's Christian brainwashing ways & am no longer with her or anywhere near her.
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Not an update per se, but Indiana House Bill 1447 is being passed to try to ban "harmful materials" from schools and libraries and could possibly lead to prosecution of librarians and teachers. I totally understand ensuring that children are not being groomed by predatory adults via inappropriate material but COME ON, we all know that "harmful materials" could easily be applied to telling kids that women can live fulfilling lives without being married, poly, divorced, cohabiting couples, and LGBTQ+ people exist, systemic racism is a thing or something like that.
I don't see how parents are allowed to tell another parent how to raise their kids by banning other people's choices to let their kids choose what to read. My own parent was a MEGA fan of 1984 and encouraged me to read it, yet they could be prosecuted under this new law for getting me, a 14 year old, to read 1984. How very "pro-freedom of them," amirite?
Also how very "pro-Authoritarian/Communist/dictatorship" regime of them to ban books. Again, doing the very thing they criticized the Soviet Union, modern China, Iran, or North Korea over. Should be noted that this bill is a reincarnation of a similar bill that died. Let's bet on this one being killed too.
Not an update per se, but Indiana House Bill 1447 is being passed to try to ban "harmful materials" from schools and libraries and could possibly lead to prosecution of librarians and teachers. I totally understand ensuring that children are not being groomed by predatory adults via inappropriate material but COME ON, we all know that "harmful materials" could easily be applied to telling kids that women can live fulfilling lives without being married, poly, divorced, cohabiting couples, and LGBTQ+ people exist, systemic racism is a thing or something like that.
I don't see how parents are allowed to tell another parent how to raise their kids by banning other people's choices to let their kids choose what to read. My own parent was a MEGA fan of 1984 and encouraged me to read it, yet they could be prosecuted under this new law for getting me, a 14 year old, to read 1984. How very "pro-freedom of them," amirite?
Also how very "pro-Authoritarian/Communist/dictatorship" regime of them to ban books. Again, doing the very thing they criticized the Soviet Union, modern China, Iran, or North Korea over. Should be noted that this bill is a reincarnation of a similar bill that died. Let's bet on this one being killed too.
It is kind of interesting how quickly conservative narratives about books have shifted (in a bad way, obviously). Up until fairly recently, these sorts of people would go on and on about the merits of classic literature, how nobody these days reads any more, complaining about other mediums like film, TV, video games etc. And now they think reading is 'perverse' and you shouldn't be allowed to look at even the mildest children's picture books until you turn 18.
Not an update per se, but Indiana House Bill 1447 is being passed to try to ban "harmful materials" from schools and libraries and could possibly lead to prosecution of librarians and teachers. I totally understand ensuring that children are not being groomed by predatory adults via inappropriate material but COME ON, we all know that "harmful materials" could easily be applied to telling kids that women can live fulfilling lives without being married, poly, divorced, cohabiting couples, and LGBTQ+ people exist, systemic racism is a thing or something like that.
I don't see how parents are allowed to tell another parent how to raise their kids by banning other people's choices to let their kids choose what to read. My own parent was a MEGA fan of 1984 and encouraged me to read it, yet they could be prosecuted under this new law for getting me, a 14 year old, to read 1984. How very "pro-freedom of them," amirite?
Also how very "pro-Authoritarian/Communist/dictatorship" regime of them to ban books. Again, doing the very thing they criticized the Soviet Union, modern China, Iran, or North Korea over. Should be noted that this bill is a reincarnation of a similar bill that died. Let's bet on this one being killed too.
It is kind of interesting how quickly conservative narratives about books have shifted (in a bad way, obviously). Up until fairly recently, these sorts of people would go on and on about the merits of classic literature, how nobody these days reads any more, complaining about other mediums like film, TV, video games etc. And now they think reading is 'perverse' and you shouldn't be allowed to look at even the mildest children's picture books until you turn 18.
Yeah, I remember when a lot of conservatives WANTED their kids reading as much as possible, and often bemoaned the inevitable decline in reading as cable TV, video games, and VHS/DVDs became common in homes. My very conservative parents heavily criticized any parent who didn't read to their child, or just let the TV babysit their kid, or never took their kids to the library. I think one reason they didn't let us have cable TV until my very late teen years was because they wanted me and my sibling to still see books as a primary source of fun (they were successful, LOL). The earlier America they endlessly yap on about was built on widespread literacy, our Founding Fathers were all very highly literate, and they didn't just read the Bible only! How the tables have turned.
And it's so silly, because books offer a safe CONTEXT for so many issues, and make for a great springboard. So many of these same conservative parents just throw a tablet at their kid and walk away without thinking of how context is lacking on the internet, and children don't have the best internet literacy skills, and how harmful that can be to their mental and emotional health. Nonfiction books often go through actual review processes and have to include citations, internet sites? NOPE. I remember my own parent (again, a major CONSERVATIVE) being a Judy Blume fan. Would they be shamed, if not arrested for spreading "inappropriate material to a minor," I wonder, by giving me an old beloved copy of "Are you there God, it's Me, Margaret?"
I do wonder though if attempted book bans/internet site censorship are more common now, or if we just know about them more due to widespread internet access? Keep in mind that plenty of people didn't even want there to be implications of say, cohabiting couples in shows made for ADULTS in the 90s, now you find plenty of them in today's entertainment. No kidding, shows could actually be banned/canceled over things we would see as super weird to be outraged about today (or with these parents, sadly maybe NOT).
But that does not mean Allen agrees with Petersen. In “most of the books [she challenged], we do not agree with her assessment, because ... you cannot base the merit of a book on just its parts,” Allen said. “She is weighing the whole book on single passages.”
AND this, this is exactly what I'm talking about when I mention "context." What's more "threatening" to youth mental health- consuming random teenage shooter "shock videos" they find randomly on the internet vs. reading about a school shooting in a book that discusses the psychology, sociology, possible motivations, the victims, the historical background, etc. Not saying all nonfiction books are this enlightening, but they provide context to "shocking" or "disturbing" ideas that makes it easier to discuss and digest said ideas.
But that does not mean Allen agrees with Petersen. In “most of the books [she challenged], we do not agree with her assessment, because ... you cannot base the merit of a book on just its parts,” Allen said. “She is weighing the whole book on single passages.”
AND this, this is exactly what I'm talking about when I mention "context." What's more "threatening" to youth mental health- consuming random teenage shooter "shock videos" they find randomly on the internet vs. reading about a school shooting in a book that discusses the psychology, sociology, possible motivations, the victims, the historical background, etc. Not saying all nonfiction books are this enlightening, but they provide context to "shocking" or "disturbing" ideas that makes it easier to discuss and digest said ideas.
I think book bans have always been very common we just know more about them now thanks to social media, the tv show "The Famous Jett Jackson" did an episode about book bans in the 90s(and hoo boy has that episode aged very well, funnily enough the teacher who gets in trouble over distributing Fahrenheit 451 talks about potentially moving to Florida LOL)so it's always been a hot topic.
Your dad sounds similar to mine, he's conservative but he has a lot of books and he's always encouraged me to read.