Also, is it true that the Library of Congress has it? I've seen some people say that but I don't think I ever found any proof when I looked (it was a while ago)
Hey all! I'm the founder of hitlist.com and would be happy to answer any questions you might have. I actually came across an early backup of the site with the strips intact on a Zip drive. I also was part of the original team that was helping to bring the boondocks to market, so I have a number of special edition one off things we did to get the word out. Some signed by Aaron. It's just been sitting in my office in a folder all these years but I've been thinking about releasing them at some point. Also there are a number of characters that were originally part of the strip that never made it to the tv series. So happy to answer any questions.
Wow, welcome! I had completely forgotten about this but I never would have expected someone with so close a connection to reach out to us - it's almost always the other way around.
I guess my first question is how did Aaron first get involved with you guys, and what caused him to leave for The Diamondback?
Next, were the strips that were printed in the The Diamondback the same ones that were originally on Hitlist? How many strips were there total? If you're able/allowed to release the materials that you have, that would be greatly appreciated, but if not, would you mind describing some of the differences, like the other characters that ended up getting dropped?
Thank you once again for doing this, we really appreciate it!
I believe I said earlier in this thread that I don't consider personal stuff notable.
So if I uploaded it to YouTube, proclaimed it to be my magnum opus that I wanted everyone to see, and THEN deleted it, would that change anything? It's still essentially worthless.
If something is for sale, it's lost until it is leaked to the public.
Not true. If something isn't on YouTube but you can buy it on eBay for $5, it's not lost by our definitions. Now, if there was only one copy for sale and it was $100,000, that'd be different. That's why I said it's a case-by-case basis.
I've read non-dub articles in which the subject matter has little-to-no information available on it. Also, what about media with its existence unconfirmed?
For the first part, it's fine to write a short article if there's not much info, you just have to make that lack of available info clear and still cite what you can find. My point in bringing this up was that some articles on irrelevant media turn out so short that they essentially just restate the title, or that's all they would be if we took out information that couldn't be verified.
For the existence unconfirmed part, even those types of pages are held to a standard where the information has to come from a reasonably believable source (i.e. a forum discussion where multiple people remember seeing it, or in cases like Cuffed Together, based on a rumor of unknown origin that has been spread around enough that it's common knowledge and hasn't already been debunked at the time of writing). They can't just be written from the author's personal memory, regardless of how vivid they claim it is. The articles also have to be objective, meaning that even if multiple people claim to remember it, it would have to be written by another unbiased user who takes what's been claimed about it with a grain of salt, not parading it around as fact.
Quite often, interest in a particular piece of lost media comes from reading an article on said media on the wiki.
I addressed this in my message - most people don't know about this stuff until they read about it here, and that's fine. But even then, they should actually be interested in the piece of media for what it is, not be pushed into caring about it by the guy who shouts the loudest. In the case of Albanian SpongeBob, that entire search was spearheaded by one guy. He forced interest in it through spam tactics, clogging up the shoutbox daily with his "finds", taunting and insulting us, refusing to release the episodes because we didn't kiss his ass enough, etc. The only reason anybody else ever got involved in searching was just to spite him, since he wanted all the street cred for finding something that wasn't lost to begin with.
This is what most "searches" for irrelevant media devolve into. Nobody actually cares about it except for one person, so that one person just keeps spamming until other people give up and give in. Either that or they die immediately because the person searching isn't a rude jackass. Now, granted, that can sometimes happen even with stuff that is allowed on the site, so I'll just say this for everyone: If you have to keep posting "bump" in your forum thread to get anyone to notice it, chances are, people just aren't interested.
Well, you're saying it's not our priority. Others are saying that anyone who cares about dubs at all should stay away from the wiki.
This thread began because of your issue with the staff's policies on this. If random users are being nasty and trying to shoo you off the site, don't assume they always share our views.
Would you say that a 30-second youtube video made by a 12 year old with 20 subscribers is on the same level of importance as a professionally made TV series that was aired internationally? Maybe, but probably not.
If I recorded a video of my dog taking a shit, then deleted it from my phone, should I write an article for it? After all, it's "lost media", so it belongs here, right? Well, I'm assuming you'd say no. But why is that? It's because, even if you don't want to admit it, you know that some stuff just simply doesn't matter - at least not from an encyclopedic perspective. Anyone can record a video of their dog taking a shit and have it turn out exactly the same as any other video of that, and I'm sure you don't want a flood of 200 identical shitting-dog-video articles plaguing the site. So that means, at some level, you DO have a cutoff of what you think should be allowed here. Everyone does.
The issue is that everyone's cutoff level is different. We can't please everybody, since not everyone cares about the same things. But our decisions aren't made on only what we the staff value. At its core, this site is dedicated to documenting LOST MEDIA. In the historian's sense, that would mean only including pieces of media where NO copies are known to survive - even within studio vaults, all known prints have been destroyed or misplaced. This would probably mostly consist of silent films from the early 20th century (and late 19th century), and there are already plenty of people who think that's what the site should focus on documenting more. Those people just typically don't get involved with the community.
Of course, we've stretched the definition of "lost" in order to create a wider appeal - now, it includes anything that isn't publicly viewable, even if we know the rightsholders or creators have their own private copies. This has led to our community becoming known for its searches, which is great. But it does raise the question - how far can that definition be stretched before it becomes detrimental to the original goal? If something's on a private tracker, is it still lost? If something is cancelled before it's finished production, does that count as lost? If something is for sale but it's really expensive, would that count as lost media? And how expensive would it have to be to qualify? Those are all grey-areas which we decide on a case-by-case basis, since we brought it on ourselves.
Having a looser definition of "lost" also allows us to loosen up some other stuff. You'll notice that Wikipedia has VERY strict policies on what sources can be used as references and how many are needed, while our only set-in-stone rule is that you have to cite at least one source. That's because the focuses of our sites are different - Wikipedia strives to document things that our popular, while the stuff that gets documented here is usually lost specifically because it WASN'T popular. This means that in most cases, there won't be 500 scholarly, peer-reviewed articles from famous and trustworthy publications for whatever you're writing about. Information is usually scarce, so we just have to do the best we can. But the more obscure your media is, the less sources you'll have. With a lot of stuff like dubs and YouTube videos, they're so obscure that there AREN'T any sources you can use that aren't just personal testimony on behalf of the author. The issue isn't fixed at all by sourcing from other amateur wikis - playing telephone only makes things even more unreliable. So eventually you get to a point where something is so obscure that even if we got rid of the notability rule entirely, you STILL wouldn't be able to write an article for it because there's no way to reasonably confirm anything about it by the standards of a wiki.
Now, getting back to your question on what makes something important. Our current rule is a little misleading: the media "must be relatively known amongst the general public" - "relative" is the key word. For instance, I'd certainly never heard of Canzo Empyrean before I joined the site, but that's allowed to stay here without an issue. How come? Well, it's made by an actual filmmaker who's had his work publicly recognized, it's been physically screened in international countries, it has a very interesting backstory, and it's clearly something that would matter to fans of underground cinema.
"But what about people who DON'T care about underground cinema? We could just as easily cater to the people who care about dubs." Well, sure. That's totally valid. But as you continue to get more and more specific with your subject matter, the number of people who care about it will get smaller and smaller. At a certain point, you reach a level where the only person who would ever be interested in a piece of media is the one who wrote the article for it. So when picking which groups to cater to, we go back to the site's core purpose - to be a source of information to those who are passionate about lost media. Fans of underground cinema are automatically more likely to already care about lost media, since the subject matter is so similar. On the other hand, dubs don't have much in common with lost media other than the fact that some dubs are lost. What I mean by that is that most of the people who write articles on dubs don't show much interest in the concept of lost media as a whole, they're primarily just looking to find that *one* thing that they'd like to see again. A thing which, a majority of the time, most of the users who the site is aimed at don't care about.
So now there's two ways of looking at things. The first is that we should primarily cater to people who are already interested the concept of lost media without just trying to get some personal gain out of it. It's true that there can be searches for anything, and you guys have proven to be dedicated to that cause, but your goal in using the site shouldn't just be "find this thing for me". But there are plenty of other articles that were written based on the author's other personal interests, right? So that's where the other way comes in - that a decent portion of our readers would still find the media interesting (on some level) even if it wasn't lost. Admit it - if Albanian Spongebob had never gone lost, not a single human living outside of Albania would have cared about it.
People are naturally interested in movies, people are interested in TV shows, in music, in books, comics, animation, etc. So if there's a movie that's lost, people want to find it because it they want to watch the movie. They would probably want to watch it even if it wasn't lost. If there's an album that's lost, people want to find it because they want to hear the album, and those people would want to hear it even if it wasn't lost. However, if there's a video made by a YouTuber with 50 subscribers, there may be a couple of users who want to find it because they want to see it, but I'm almost 100% positive they wouldn't give 2 dicks about that YouTuber if his video wasn't "lost". There's a SHIT-ton of YouTubers with 50 subscribers whose videos are still up, but how many of them are you watching (that AREN'T your friends)? Following on with that, I'm sure you could look up tons of American shows dubbed into languages you can't speak, but you're most likely not watching those either (people who SPEAK the languages might, but seeing as this is an english-speaking site, most of those people aren't here.) So why is that? Why aren't you watching 12-year-olds' let's plays and the Russian dub of Samurai Jack right now? It's because you know that you DON'T care about them, and being lost shouldn't change that.
(Just to clarify - there's nothing wrong with only becoming interested in something after reading about it here. That's how it usually goes and I'm no exception. My point is, though, that after you find out about it, at least *part* of you should want to see it on its own merits, whether because it's really good, because it's really bad, because it has a funny history, because it's culturally significant, whatever. All I'm saying is it shouldn't JUST be because you can't currently see it, because in this day and age, literally anyone can become the creator of a piece of lost media if they wanted to do so.)
Now, one final "But wait!" - I'm aware I had just said that we cater to people interested specifically in lost media, hence why all those lost films from the 1900s are here. I'll be honest, I personally don't watch too many movies from the 1920s in my spare time. But these movies that I wouldn't watch are inherently more important than obscure YouTube videos that I wouldn't watch because they represent a place that we came from. If you look at movies from the 20s, movies from the 30s, movies from the 40s, and so-on, you can see how the culture and the art form evolves over time. And since such a big chunk of that era is destroyed due to poor preservation, it's important to know that we're not getting the full story. THAT'S why The Fall of a Nation is more important than a YouTube video - the very first film sequel ever made vs the 7 billionth let's play ever made, how could it even compete for historical relevance? For another example, in the 20s it was REVOLUTIONARY just to have a person talking into the camera with actual speech attached to it - nowadays, about 300 hours of content fitting that description is uploaded to YouTube every minute. How could you even attempt to archive or document all of that?
Answer: you can't. That's why we only tackle what matters - because yes, for what we do, some stuff matters more than other stuff. Unless we figure out a way to stop time, there's literally no way to cover everything on here, so unless something is historically significant or a majority of our userbase would otherwise find it interesting, it's probably best to skip writing about it. We're not saying it shouldn't be found, we're just saying it's not our priority.
Some Fairfax school administrators say they like the software but are concerned about its cost -- about $55,000 to buy and install SuccessMaker in a lab with 10 computers.
This means it's pretty unlikely you'll find any copies on eBay, etc. Your best bet would probably be to continue asking people who worked in elementary schools around that time.
What you're doing now is spamming. Your big post count isn't very impressive if half of it is spam. If you don't have something to say, don't say anything, and stop bumping old posts that had already been answered and concluded.
Thanks to the magic of being super patient on Soulseek, I have come across... 1. A copy of 2.222222222222 2. A rip of デビスコCDR – コンニチワSP Turbo 3. A copy of Noistruct vs CDR - Feelhole (it's strange that this one had gone lost since it's a Bandcamp release and it's pretty recent, but you can currently only download 3 tracks from the bandcamp page and there were only 20 physical copies) 4. Also, rips of 3 releases I didn't even know existed! They are: "New DEMO", "Musicophilia", and "Noise Music"
All have been added to the folder and the list has been updated, along with adding the other albums he's released in the past month. I've also begun hoarding and sorting through every release of his I can find in FLAC, so the folder for that should be up in hopefully not too long. Anyways fuckin cool cya later
He got banned at the same time I posted this message. He was banned for repeatedly posting increasingly ridiculous hoaxes, such as... -That he remembered playing a lost 32X game that doesn't exist -That he remembered seeing an animated Sonic the Hedgehog series that doesn't exist -That he somehow found a VHS tape with the world's first TV broadcast but wouldn't be releasing it or providing any proof -And, most infamously, claiming that he found a film reel containing an old racist cartoon (that doesn't exist), and, when finally pressed to provide some shred of evidence, posting this.
After that, he said "I give up", so we assumed that meant he would stop with the dumb hoaxes (hence why he wasn't banned right then). However, just a month later, he was back at it again, so that was when we finally had enough.
boring/10 I think I probably jinxed myself by hyping my expectations for this movie up to a near-impossible level, and then inevitably getting disappointed when it failed to meet them.
First off, I have to commend whoever cut the trailer. It's fantastic, definitely the best trailer I've seen in years. The use of Kanye West's "Black Skinhead" (mashed up with something else I'll probably get yelled at for not knowing) was genius and gave the impression that this would be a fast-paced, fun-as-hell blockbuster with nonstop action and a sexy flair.
Well, part of that was right. From the beginning everybody was drawing John Wick comparisons, but when it comes down to it, Atomic Blonde is far slower-paced. There's none of the quick cuts to keep the action moving, and there's far less action in general. The Black Skinhead-type fights from the trailer - those aren't here. Instead of badass, edgy songs, all the fights are set to 80s pop music, which (imo) really detracts from the intensity. And I get it - they chose the music they did for a reason, since it takes place during the cold war and they wanted to use music of the era. I don't care though - it doesn't fit the action. I'm sure it's supposed to be ironic when a guy gets beat senseless with a skateboard while 99 Luftballons plays in the background, but having that type of music throughout the whole movie was what prevented me from ever getting immersed. And what's worse is that when this music plays during the fight scenes, it's usually buried in the mix, playing from a radio in another room or something. And half the action sequences had no music at all. It just felt really off.
I can't really put my finger on why, but I got the impression that different people working on it wanted it to be different things. It just didn't feel like one cohesive vision. And maybe I'm wrong about that - maybe it turned out exactly like they wanted. Maybe all my gripes with this movie are just personal preference. Who can say? All I know is I went in expecting to get pumped up with adrenaline and that never happened, so I feel kinda let down (isn't that the whole point of these style-over-substance action movies?). It did have some nice sequences, some great acting, and some cool visual direction. I just wish it was more tightly cut and had less downtime. Maybe somebody will make a fan edit or something. That'd be neat.
Click the gear icon in the header and then click "move". If you're on mobile, it's under the dropdown menu on the right.
Though you can technically do this as many times as you want, it's recommended to only do it when necessary, such as fixing a typo, updating the status, or putting something into the correct format/capitalization. That's because every time you move a page, it leaves a redirect behind, so if you keep moving a page for really trivial reasons you end up with 50 redirects for every page and it all becomes a big mess.
Do you mean the main site (wiki) or the forums? I know that the forums were down earlier because ProBoards (the service the forums are hosted with) was having issues. That wouldn't affect the main site though