It sounded to me like those were up-to-date list that changed over time and other than this one weird sounding title the rest of them either simple mistranslations or just over simplified versions of actual title, like Hulk Hogan instead of WrestleMania or something like that, and maybe one was repeated or something but even then it was literally just a mistranslation of an actual title.
So if there was no other fake listings or we seem to not be able to find any other fake listings wouldn't it make more sense to simply say that this is a mistranslation? or some over simplified version of an actual title?
What did I miss, because like I don't know it just seems weird that this would be the only plagiarism trap...the only plagiarism trap with no purpose at all.
My logic is that we should find older ones before YYB1. I don't think that's weird to want, and I'm sure one will turn up.
It sounded to me like those were up-to-date list that changed over time and other than this one weird sounding title the rest of them either simple mistranslations or just over simplified versions of actual title, like Hulk Hogan instead of WrestleMania or something like that, and maybe one was repeated or something but even then it was literally just a mistranslation of an actual title.
So if there was no other fake listings or we seem to not be able to find any other fake listings wouldn't it make more sense to simply say that this is a mistranslation? or some over simplified version of an actual title?
What did I miss, because like I don't know it just seems weird that this would be the only plagiarism trap...the only plagiarism trap with no purpose at all.
My logic is that we should find older ones before YYB1. I don't think that's weird to want, and I'm sure one will turn up.
Well yeah but so far we found none. Zero. But we found a ton of mistranslations, so I thought that at least made the mistranslation theory more logical than a one shot "trap" that was immediately pulled and seeming never done again. Or did anyone find any AFTER that? Because if not then we have the almost impossible theory that means, one time and never again, they did this "trap" and never before or after.
My logic is that we should find older ones before YYB1. I don't think that's weird to want, and I'm sure one will turn up.
Well yeah but so far we found none. Zero. But we found a ton of mistranslations, so I thought that at least made the mistranslation theory more logical than a one shot "trap" that was immediately pulled and seeming never done again. Or did anyone find any AFTER that? Because if not then we have the almost impossible theory that means, one time and never again, they did this "trap" and never before or after.
Wait, I thought so far the mistranslations has only been on the YYB1 list? Are they on the other lists?
Post by basdeopierre010 on Jul 11, 2021 23:50:26 GMT
I added more to my photo gallery, the May, June, July and august 1991 issue (their all #7, "no more smiley faces" which I covered), unfortunately their is a lot of lost missing issues for 1991 and 1992, but their is no play it again advert for November 1991 and any subsequent issue I found. Their is also no play it again adverts for the first and second issues of the "Video Games & Computer Entertainment" magazine which I should have said.
I think it make sense to have a "copyright / plagiarism trap" for upcoming games (you don't want competitors to take credit) it also makes sense that things would be mis-translated (your trying to keep ahead of your competitors) and reasonable speculation ("street fighter is the most popular game of course they are going to port it to NES"), I find it weird that #1 list (the list before Beebis) doesn't have fake games or even mis-translation, it does include upcoming games like "password" (never got made however), though all of the rest of the list with upcoming games #2 list (Beebis list), #3, #4, all have it. It goes back to normal when their is no more upcoming games.
I think it could be both "plagiarism trap" and "mistranslation" (deliberate mistranslation). mis-translation explains why he might have chosen that name "yeah yeah beebis I" and it conforms to all the other fake listings (mistranslation). "Plagiarism trap' explains Bob's motive (Neil who knew Bob says he would do that). I still have low confidence on what it is.
I think im too dismissive of Funco and Play it again having a independent source there both taking from (like the old blog post I linked believes might be the case). Maybe contacting Funco / Pomije goes straight to the origin.
I added more to my photo gallery, the May, June, July and august 1991 issue (their all #7, "no more smiley faces" which I covered), unfortunately their is a lot of lost missing issues for 1991 and 1992, but their is no play it again advert for November 1991 and any subsequent issue I found. Their is also no play it again adverts for the first and second issues of the "Video Games & Computer Entertainment" magazine which I should have said.
I think it make sense to have a "copyright / plagiarism trap" for upcoming games (you don't want competitors to take credit) it also makes sense that things would be mis-translated (your trying to keep ahead of your competitors) and reasonable speculation ("street fighter is the most popular game of course they are going to port it to NES"), I find it weird that #1 list (the list before Beebis) doesn't have fake games or even mis-translation, it does include upcoming games like "password" (never got made however), though all of the rest of the list with upcoming games #2 list (Beebis list), #3, #4, all have it. It goes back to normal when their is no more upcoming games.
I think it could be both "plagiarism trap" and "mistranslation" (deliberate mistranslation). mis-translation explains why he might have chosen that name "yeah yeah beebis I" and it conforms to all the other fake listings (mistranslation). "Plagiarism trap' explains Bob's motive (Neil who knew Bob says he would do that). I still have low confidence on what it is.
I think im too dismissive of Funco and Play it again having a independent source there both taking from (like the old blog post I linked believes might be the case). Maybe contacting Funco / Pomije goes straight to the origin.
Hmmm, that could very well be a possibility.
We contacted David Pomije but no word so far. We're about to contact his ex wife Pennie because she was one of the 4 people working at Funco at the time. An independent source hasn't been verified thus so far.
Post by thatgamingasshole on Jul 12, 2021 0:45:38 GMT
Idunno...it seems the simplest answer, and the one with the fewest holes or problems in it would simply be that is a mistranslation.
I mean yeah that would be really anti-climactic and probably really is just Yukyuu Ban because that literally is almost the exact same title and that would be kind of like this really boring, lame answer, but there really isn't any other reason to say otherwise.
There's no other logic and any other answer, if you want to talk about the simplest cleanest answer without any holes in the theory at all, the one that would instantaneously explain everything and make the whole thing fall together in perfect place, then it would just be a mistranslation of that yukyuu ban game.
And yeah I get it that's less mysterious and clandestine than some kind of trap or some kind of purposeful mistranslation to stymie your enemies, but really it just seems to be the most logical answer: someone was trying to write Yukyuu Ban, or some variation of that name, and their finger slipped.
Post by thatgamingasshole on Jul 12, 2021 0:50:06 GMT
Actually now that I say yukyuu ban out loud that might literally have been the American Title: Yeah Yeah Baseball! or something like that.
I mean that again that would basically explain everything: it was called like Yeah Yeah Bsseball! and someone misspelled baseball and the I at the end supposed to be a !
Boom there.
I mean that like I said that's a really lame answer that all these years you've been searching for a video game that was just a baseball game to somebody misspelled or misunderstood but there you go.
Edit: in fact it might have just been one yeah, which explained why Funko shortened it to down to because that was also a mistake. It was just supposed to be Yeah Baseball with an exclamation mark.
Post by stintergalactic on Jul 12, 2021 1:29:07 GMT
One thing to keep in mind, is that even if we find more Play It Again ads, is that we'll never have all games lists they made over the years.
A lot of their ads didn't have lists at all. What they would do is mail out lists to people who requested them. I would think those lists would be even more likely to contain "traps", because then there'd be no denying that a competitor was using your work as a source.
One thing to keep in mind, is that even if we find more Play It Again ads, is that we'll never have all games lists they made over the years.
A lot of their ads didn't have lists at all. What they would do is mail out lists to people who requested them. I would think those lists would be even more likely to contain "traps", because then there'd be no denying that a competitor was using your work as a source.
Ah is this what Neil told you? I haven't gotten to finishing the video yet
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I find it strange why all of the fake listings other then Beebis ( "Caracresta" -> Terra Cresta, "star force II" -> "super star force", Battlefield Napoleon" -> Napoleon Senki, "touchdown" -> "touchdown fever", "Hulk Hogan" -> Wrestlemania, "mission XX" -> "XX mission") are all mistranslation, some of them mistranslations of English games it appears and the fake listings are usually duplicated (the list has both "Caracresta" and Terra Cresta, "Hulk Hogan" and Wrestlemania) are these just simple errors (I think this would help mistranslation, shows sloppiness and maybe lack of confidence in title)? or deliberate mistranslations (fictitious entry / copyright trap).
Several of those aren't fake listings or mistranslations or duplicates. They're real - at least in the sense of they were announced games. A while back I considered that it might be worth looking into just what had been shown in gaming magazines in the months before these adverts and if any of those strange names appeared. I can't quite remember which magazine it was, It may have been the Nintendo Magazine, but i'm fairly sure several of them like Battlefield Nalopeon were shown/announced somewhere in the magazines with that same name, which supports the idea that the information for the games was found by just looking through popular magazines at the time and put together by someone who didn't really do it overly well as shown by the other inaccuracies, wrong order, saying they could get these unreleased games with no release date within 60 days etc
Edit:
"The battlefields of Napoleon" is mentioned as an upcoming game on the NES planner section in the January-February 1989 NES power. It disappears from the list by the time of the March-April issue.
The game "Battlefield Napoleon" does not appear in the April 1989 Video Games & Computer Entertainment issue, nor the May issue. It first appears in the June 1989 Play it again list, for some reason not bolded to show its upcoming and is still there in July, August and September all the way into next year.
Multiple game listings just make no sense - several games are on the list with a buy and a sell price despite not releasing until years later. The list comes across as very, very poorly managed overall.
I did a comparison between some of the lists a while back too, and found that only 1 other game that disapears from the list when you compare June and Decembers issues - despite not being bolded as coming soon, "return of donkey kong" coincidentally also happened to first appear in the list in the June 1989 issue and disappeared in the October issue. Strange how the only other game (at least that I saw) which noticeably disappeared in that time frame appeared and disappeared at the same time. It never released but it was announced.
The other strange thing about that game? It was announced way back in 1987 and later shown again in March 1988. It's baffling that it suddenly appears on this list over a year later and then disappears shortly after. Surely there must be some magazine showing these games that we just don't know about otherwise just how and why would it have appeared at that time?
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I find it strange why all of the fake listings other then Beebis ( "Caracresta" -> Terra Cresta, "star force II" -> "super star force", Battlefield Napoleon" -> Napoleon Senki, "touchdown" -> "touchdown fever", "Hulk Hogan" -> Wrestlemania, "mission XX" -> "XX mission") are all mistranslation, some of them mistranslations of English games it appears and the fake listings are usually duplicated (the list has both "Caracresta" and Terra Cresta, "Hulk Hogan" and Wrestlemania) are these just simple errors (I think this would help mistranslation, shows sloppiness and maybe lack of confidence in title)? or deliberate mistranslations (fictitious entry / copyright trap).
Several of those aren't fake listings or mistranslations or duplicates. They're real - at least in the sense of they were announced games. A while back I considered that it might be worth looking into just what had been shown in gaming magazines in the months before these adverts and if any of those strange names appeared. I can't quite remember which magazine it was, It may have been the Nintendo Magazine, but i'm fairly sure several of them like Battlefield Nalopeon were shown/announced somewhere in the magazines with that same name, which supports the idea that the information for the games was found by just looking through popular magazines at the time and put together by someone who didn't really do it overly well as shown by the other inaccuracies, wrong order, saying they could get these unreleased games with no release date within 60 days etc
Edit:
"The battlefields of Napoleon" is mentioned as an upcoming game on the NES planner section in the January-February 1989 NES power. It disappears from the list by the time of the March-April issue.
The game "Battlefield Napoleon" does not appear in the April 1989 Video Games & Computer Entertainment issue, nor the May issue. It first appears in the June 1989 Play it again list, for some reason not bolded to show its upcoming and is still there in July, August and September all the way into next year.
Multiple game listings just make no sense - several games are on the list with a buy and a sell price despite not releasing until years later. The list comes across as very, very poorly managed overall.
I did a comparison between some of the lists a while back too, and found that only 1 other game that disapears from the list when you compare June and Decembers issues - despite not being bolded as coming soon, "return of donkey kong" coincidentally also happened to first appear in the list in the June 1989 issue and disappeared in the October issue. Strange how the only other game (at least that I saw) which noticeably disappeared in that time frame appeared and disappeared at the same time. It never released but it was announced.
The other strange thing about that game? It was announced way back in 1987 and later shown again in March 1988. It's baffling that it suddenly appears on this list over a year later and then disappears shortly after.
Didn't know battlefield napoleon was in Nintendo power before being on the play it again list, so far I haven't seen Caracresta (and I think Hulk Hogan aswell?) on any other list besides Funco. I think "Hulk Hogan" is good indicator of its sloppiness, literally just saw Hulk Hogan on the advertisements and thought the game was called Hulk Hogan (but also put the correct game title aswell? miscommunication? intentional?).
Also I was wrong on street fighter, apparently it was being developed for the NES. Seems like everything is a announced game (and mistranslations of those games).
Post by thatgamingasshole on Jul 12, 2021 23:51:12 GMT
So basically, everything was a game either in development, released, or about to be released. And the main issue seems to be extremely slipshod descriptions/spelling.
From my point of view that kind of nails it doesn't it? This is likely just a mistranslation of an actual game. Everything else on the list was a real game, including games like Titan Warriors which existed as a fully functional rom, or Zombie Master which was simply never localized. And Street Fighter, as someone else mentioned, was a game for the Nes, just one unrelated to the actual SF franchise. But all the evidence we have shows it seems this was just a list made up of actual games with a few having poorly translated titles, or which were completed but unreleased (I'm pretty sure someone actually found evidence that Return of Donkey Kong existed as a rom, but was unreleased? Don't quote me on that but I recall seeing a video about Nintendo games, maybe Guru Larry)
But if everything we've seen so fa was either a game that was made but never released, or released but they mistranslated the name, logic says the same is true of YYBI then. So far, no actual false listings or "traps" have been seen. And if they were being used before, why stop at that moment? The most simple answer is usually the right one, and the simplest answer, and I keep stressing this, but the answer which literally has NO holes in it, is a mistranslation of an actual game. It's an answer that requires no actual further explanation or reasoning other than someone's finger slipped while they weer typing.
Post by thevoiddragon on Jul 13, 2021 11:05:06 GMT
I don't think the "mistranslation" idea makes much sense if as seems to be the case that the information was all coming from magazines of the time, it's not like he'd be the one translating the titles or getting anyone else to do it. Mistranslation in the sense of mistranscribed/"wrote it down wrong" would fit more so, but even then it still has an issue of meaning there must be a game with a very similar name.
Edit: Return of Donkey Kong basically confirms the Funco list is just a copy. The game appears there and disapears at the same time as beebiss, just like with Play-it-Agains list but with a 3 month delay.
I really think it's worth looking into that too, as there's no reason that game should have appeared if it was last shown in March 1988.
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