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Help me with finding a really cool lost website. Oct 13, 2018 19:40:31 GMT nogginoid likes this

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Post by nogginoid on Oct 13, 2018 19:40:31 GMT

Hi, nogginoid here. I'm new to the forums, but it doesn't mean I don't know a lot.

Noggin is known for being a preschool channel (now app) from Nickelodeon. BUT...back in 1999, it was established for kids of ALL ages, and adults, in partnership with CTW, or Sesame Workshop. I am very interested in the website they had from October 2000 to April 2002. It was advertised to be very ahead of its time, and had a heck ton of features. I remember looking at that version of the website a few years ago through the Internat Archive's Wayback Machine, and it had all of its assets, pictures, heck, even the animated Noggin logo there. Now whenever I try and access the website, I get literally a split-second glance at the "Join Noggin" button and the animated Noggin logo before I am redirected to the "get Shockwave/Flash" page, which of course has no images and leaves me stuck at a dead end.

I made a video on the website in January (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMYqpz83mCA) and very little commotion was made of the site after that. A few images were found and that's all. I did try to create a LMW page about it, but it never went through.

Hopefully someone, anyone reading this thread can help me get past the Wayback Machine Flash redirect problem and help me find the fully functional noggin.com from October 2000 to April 2002 for the sake of lost media enthusiasts everywhere.

Here's a commercial for the version of the website I'm talking about if you want to learn more: www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWn8rrDgDng

And here's a screenshot of the website, too: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CsL6K7ygeQ

Last Edit: Oct 15, 2018 22:34:03 GMT by nogginoid

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Help me with finding a really cool lost website. Oct 16, 2018 19:55:20 GMT

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Post by dogpolygonrt66 on Oct 16, 2018 19:55:20 GMT

Oct 13, 2018 19:40:31 GMT nogginoid said:

Hi, nogginoid here. I'm new to the forums, but it doesn't mean I don't know a lot.

Noggin is known for being a preschool channel (now app) from Nickelodeon. BUT...back in 1999, it was established for kids of ALL ages, and adults, in partnership with CTW, or Sesame Workshop. I am very interested in the website they had from October 2000 to April 2002. It was advertised to be very ahead of its time, and had a heck ton of features. I remember looking at that version of the website a few years ago through the Internat Archive's Wayback Machine, and it had all of its assets, pictures, heck, even the animated Noggin logo there. Now whenever I try and access the website, I get literally a split-second glance at the "Join Noggin" button and the animated Noggin logo before I am redirected to the "get Shockwave/Flash" page, which of course has no images and leaves me stuck at a dead end.

I made a video on the website in January (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMYqpz83mCA) and very little commotion was made of the site after that. A few images were found and that's all. I did try to create a LMW page about it, but it never went through.

Hopefully someone, anyone reading this thread can help me get past the Wayback Machine Flash redirect problem and help me find the fully functional noggin.com from October 2000 to April 2002 for the sake of lost media enthusiasts everywhere.

Here's a commercial for the version of the website I'm talking about if you want to learn more: www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWn8rrDgDng

And here's a screenshot of the website, too: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CsL6K7ygeQ

Link to the archive that used to work?

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Help me with finding a really cool lost website. Oct 19, 2018 21:36:40 GMT dogpolygonrt66 likes this

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Post by nogginoid on Oct 19, 2018 21:36:40 GMT

Oct 16, 2018 19:55:20 GMT dogpolygonrt66 said:

Oct 13, 2018 19:40:31 GMT nogginoid said:

Hi, nogginoid here. I'm new to the forums, but it doesn't mean I don't know a lot.

Noggin is known for being a preschool channel (now app) from Nickelodeon. BUT...back in 1999, it was established for kids of ALL ages, and adults, in partnership with CTW, or Sesame Workshop. I am very interested in the website they had from October 2000 to April 2002. It was advertised to be very ahead of its time, and had a heck ton of features. I remember looking at that version of the website a few years ago through the Internat Archive's Wayback Machine, and it had all of its assets, pictures, heck, even the animated Noggin logo there. Now whenever I try and access the website, I get literally a split-second glance at the "Join Noggin" button and the animated Noggin logo before I am redirected to the "get Shockwave/Flash" page, which of course has no images and leaves me stuck at a dead end.

I made a video on the website in January (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMYqpz83mCA) and very little commotion was made of the site after that. A few images were found and that's all. I did try to create a LMW page about it, but it never went through.

Hopefully someone, anyone reading this thread can help me get past the Wayback Machine Flash redirect problem and help me find the fully functional noggin.com from October 2000 to April 2002 for the sake of lost media enthusiasts everywhere.

Here's a commercial for the version of the website I'm talking about if you want to learn more: www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWn8rrDgDng

And here's a screenshot of the website, too: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CsL6K7ygeQ

Link to the archive that used to work?

Just go to here: web.archive.org/web/20000515000000*/www.noggin.com

...and go to any archived version of the site from October 2000 to April 2002. You'll know you've got the right version when the background's purple and there's some kind of redirect to a page with no images.

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Help me with finding a really cool lost website. Oct 20, 2018 3:12:36 GMT

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Post by dogpolygonrt66 on Oct 20, 2018 3:12:36 GMT

Oct 19, 2018 21:36:40 GMT nogginoid said:

Oct 16, 2018 19:55:20 GMT dogpolygonrt66 said:

Link to the archive that used to work?

Just go to here: web.archive.org/web/20000515000000*/www.noggin.com

...and go to any archived version of the site from October 2000 to April 2002. You'll know you've got the right version when the background's purple and there's some kind of redirect to a page with no images.

Question: are you using windows 10? I have a patch that might be able to help you with the shockwave crash. Can't help with the lost images. The site stays on the main page just fine for me with the noggin logo.

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Help me with finding a really cool lost website. Oct 21, 2018 4:54:58 GMT

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Post by nogginoid on Oct 21, 2018 4:54:58 GMT

Oct 20, 2018 3:12:36 GMT dogpolygonrt66 said:

Oct 19, 2018 21:36:40 GMT nogginoid said:

Just go to here: web.archive.org/web/20000515000000*/www.noggin.com

...and go to any archived version of the site from October 2000 to April 2002. You'll know you've got the right version when the background's purple and there's some kind of redirect to a page with no images.

Question: are you using windows 10? I have a patch that might be able to help you with the shockwave crash. Can't help with the lost images. The site stays on the main page just fine for me with the noggin logo.

Yeah, I am using Windows 10. Can you tell me more about the patch?

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Help me with finding a really cool lost website. Oct 21, 2018 10:34:11 GMT dogpolygonrt66 likes this

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Post by tomysshadow on Oct 21, 2018 10:34:11 GMT

Oct 20, 2018 3:12:36 GMT dogpolygonrt66 said:

Oct 19, 2018 21:36:40 GMT nogginoid said:

Just go to here: web.archive.org/web/20000515000000*/www.noggin.com

...and go to any archived version of the site from October 2000 to April 2002. You'll know you've got the right version when the background's purple and there's some kind of redirect to a page with no images.

Question: are you using windows 10? I have a patch that might be able to help you with the shockwave crash. Can't help with the lost images. The site stays on the main page just fine for me with the noggin logo.

The Windows 10 Nvidia Fix only applies to Shockwave 3D. The Noggin homepage neither uses Shockwave nor Shockwave 3D. It uses Flash. Flash is NOT the same thing as Shockwave. The Windows 10 Nvidia Fix solves a single, specific problem. You can't throw it around like a magic wand for all computer problems. It is for 3D webgames like On The Run Classic or Burnin' Rubber. I know, because I was the one who researched the bug and found out what causes it.

Usually redirects like this are a JavaScript problem. The websites will check if the desired Flash version (probably 8 or 9) is installed and redirect if it isn't. However, I'm not seeing any redirect at the link given. Just a pink page with a bunch of broken images.

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Help me with finding a really cool lost website. Oct 22, 2018 4:54:44 GMT

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Post by dogpolygonrt66 on Oct 22, 2018 4:54:44 GMT

Oct 21, 2018 10:34:11 GMT tomysshadow said:

Oct 20, 2018 3:12:36 GMT dogpolygonrt66 said:

Question: are you using windows 10? I have a patch that might be able to help you with the shockwave crash. Can't help with the lost images. The site stays on the main page just fine for me with the noggin logo.

The Windows 10 Nvidia Fix only applies to Shockwave 3D. The Noggin homepage neither uses Shockwave nor Shockwave 3D. It uses Flash. Flash is NOT the same thing as Shockwave. The Windows 10 Nvidia Fix solves a single, specific problem. You can't throw it around like a magic wand for all computer problems. It is for 3D webgames like On The Run Classic or Burnin' Rubber. I know, because I was the one who researched the bug and found out what causes it.

Usually redirects like this are a JavaScript problem. The websites will check if the desired Flash version (probably 8 or 9) is installed and redirect if it isn't. However, I'm not seeing any redirect at the link given. Just a pink page with a bunch of broken images.

Whoops, was between so many things at the time I forgot we were talking about flash. But, what I was mentioning is a component of the site that's stuck on the shockwave loading icon. Top right link if the site loads semi-correctly on your end. The page loads as semi-working, with the animated noggin head, a dark blue background, and several broken image links on Pale Moon. web.archive.org/web/20001207014400/http://noggin.com:80/ Page I was getting the homepage confused with. Guessing the DCR is long gone, but I haven't checked in depth to find it.

Last Edit: Oct 22, 2018 4:58:13 GMT by dogpolygonrt66

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Help me with finding a really cool lost website. Oct 24, 2018 6:58:32 GMT

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Post by tomysshadow on Oct 24, 2018 6:58:32 GMT

Ah, it's easy then. Go to the broken page and if you're using Firefox/Pale Moon, hit Ctrl+Shift+K, or if you're using any other browser hit F12. You'll see the browser console appear, type this into the message box:

document.cookie = "bStates=oldBrows:false&FlashFour:true&ShockwaveEight:true&;path=/";

Then hit Enter. And now hit the back button and Noggin website should work. Cheers

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Help me with finding a really cool lost website. Oct 24, 2018 16:05:14 GMT

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Post by dogpolygonrt66 on Oct 24, 2018 16:05:14 GMT

Oct 24, 2018 6:58:32 GMT tomysshadow said:

Ah, it's easy then. Go to the broken page and if you're using Firefox/Pale Moon, hit Ctrl+Shift+K, or if you're using any other browser hit F12. You'll see the browser console appear, type this into the message box:

document.cookie = "bStates=oldBrows:false&FlashFour:true&ShockwaveEight:true&;path=/";

Then hit Enter. And now hit the back button and Noggin website should work. Cheers

Thanks. also, fair warning, it seems like some of the snapshots are gone. There were many from sept to dec and now they are not there.

Edit: Nope, went into a snapshot, led me to 2018, jumped back, landed on Dec 7th 2000. Guess archive.org is just super screwy.

Last Edit: Oct 24, 2018 16:05:57 GMT by dogpolygonrt66

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Help me with finding a really cool lost website. Oct 24, 2018 16:08:18 GMT

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Post by dogpolygonrt66 on Oct 24, 2018 16:08:18 GMT

Oct 24, 2018 6:58:32 GMT tomysshadow said:

Ah, it's easy then. Go to the broken page and if you're using Firefox/Pale Moon, hit Ctrl+Shift+K, or if you're using any other browser hit F12. You'll see the browser console appear, type this into the message box:

document.cookie = "bStates=oldBrows:false&FlashFour:true&ShockwaveEight:true&;path=/";

Then hit Enter. And now hit the back button and Noggin website should work. Cheers

Alright, ran the code, doesn't seem to work. Do you know any way I could rip the DCR from the page, or should I just go to the shockwave discord and get somebody more knowledgeable to do so?

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Help me with finding a really cool lost website. Oct 25, 2018 3:01:15 GMT

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Post by tomysshadow on Oct 25, 2018 3:01:15 GMT

Oct 24, 2018 16:08:18 GMT dogpolygonrt66 said:

Oct 24, 2018 6:58:32 GMT tomysshadow said:

Ah, it's easy then. Go to the broken page and if you're using Firefox/Pale Moon, hit Ctrl+Shift+K, or if you're using any other browser hit F12. You'll see the browser console appear, type this into the message box:

document.cookie = "bStates=oldBrows:false&FlashFour:true&ShockwaveEight:true&;path=/";

Then hit Enter. And now hit the back button and Noggin website should work. Cheers

Alright, ran the code, doesn't seem to work. Do you know any way I could rip the DCR from the page, or should I just go to the shockwave discord and get somebody more knowledgeable to do so?

What? Why do you want to do that? I thought we were just trying to be able to browse the website

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Help me with finding a really cool lost website. Oct 25, 2018 7:52:48 GMT

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Post by dogpolygonrt66 on Oct 25, 2018 7:52:48 GMT

Oct 25, 2018 3:01:15 GMT tomysshadow said:

Oct 24, 2018 16:08:18 GMT dogpolygonrt66 said:

Alright, ran the code, doesn't seem to work. Do you know any way I could rip the DCR from the page, or should I just go to the shockwave discord and get somebody more knowledgeable to do so?

What? Why do you want to do that? I thought we were just trying to be able to browse the website

I didn't need that, the page already ran fine barring the missing images, which don't affect functionality.

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Post by tomysshadow on Oct 25, 2018 16:21:14 GMT

Oct 25, 2018 7:52:48 GMT dogpolygonrt66 said:

Oct 25, 2018 3:01:15 GMT tomysshadow said:

What? Why do you want to do that? I thought we were just trying to be able to browse the website

I didn't need that, the page already ran fine barring the missing images, which don't affect functionality.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding. When I go to the linked location, I get immediately redirected to a page called plugin2.htm . I figured this is what the OP wanted to fix. Maybe you're using a different browser which works?

Furthermore, I don't see any Shockwave on the homepage, like I said. Only Flash.

EDIT: Okay, I see what you mean, you're trying to play the Hotshot game.

Well, it looks like it used to be located at:
www.noggin.com:80/gameon/hotshot/nogginshot.dcr

Web Archive doesn't seem to have that URL archived earlier than 2011, by which point it redirects to Nick Jr.

Last Edit: Oct 25, 2018 16:29:19 GMT by tomysshadow

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Oct 24, 2018 6:58:32 GMT tomysshadow said:

Ah, it's easy then. Go to the broken page and if you're using Firefox/Pale Moon, hit Ctrl+Shift+K, or if you're using any other browser hit F12. You'll see the browser console appear, type this into the message box:

document.cookie = "bStates=oldBrows:false&FlashFour:true&ShockwaveEight:true&;path=/";

Then hit Enter. And now hit the back button and Noggin website should work. Cheers

Bumping this. I'm going back to the site now that I know Flashpoint exists and I want to hopefully make the old Shockwave games on the site known (such as Mumbo Jumbo and Flood Control). Unfortunately, this code doesn't work anymore! I entered it in to the message box and when I click back, it sends me to the Wayback Machine homepage or right back to the broken page. Any fixes?

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