Hachette vs. Internet Archive

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Hachette vs. Internet Archive Mar 25, 2023 13:46:37 GMT

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Post by allgall on Mar 25, 2023 13:46:37 GMT

Mar 25, 2023 13:34:37 GMT @dingamagoo said:

This isn't a specific search, more of a psa. Please save as much as you can. The Internet Archive is in danger of shutting down do to copyright lawsuits. I’m no expert on the subject, but so much media could be gone. It (the case) seems to be targeting books, so start with that. Just archive whatever atp.

This seems more ramble-ish than informative, but this truly makes me sad. IA is an essential tool.

Could you be more specific about the lawsuit and what in intails?

Gilby1385 Seriously Dedicated Posts: 597	Hachette vs. Internet Archive Mar 25, 2023 20:37:29 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Gilby1385 on Mar 25, 2023 20:37:29 GMT Oh my! I hope this ends well.
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chris110 Full Member Posts: 109	Hachette vs. Internet Archive Mar 25, 2023 22:43:23 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by chris110 on Mar 25, 2023 22:43:23 GMT There’s going to be a lot of stuff that was once rediscovered to become lost once again except permanent this time.

luffy4 Full Member Posts: 149	Hachette vs. Internet Archive Mar 26, 2023 18:45:48 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by luffy4 on Mar 26, 2023 18:45:48 GMT There is WAY to much on there to backup

GrigioGuy Lost Media Guru Posts: 911	Hachette vs. Internet Archive Mar 26, 2023 21:54:38 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by GrigioGuy on Mar 26, 2023 21:54:38 GMT Maybe archive what you think may not have a chance of being recoverable in the future?

treasurehunter64x Seriously Dedicated Trying to get the real god status Posts: 580	Hachette vs. Internet Archive Mar 26, 2023 22:31:22 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by treasurehunter64x on Mar 26, 2023 22:31:22 GMT This means A. Lots of lost media to find and B. Probably no Wayback Machine.
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Hachette vs. Internet Archive Mar 27, 2023 4:09:52 GMT

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Post by darkrage6 on Mar 27, 2023 4:09:52 GMT

From what i've heard this lawsuit isn't trying to shutdown the whole IA, just make it so that you can't borrow entire books on there anymore. Also IA is currently appealing the ruling and there's a good chance that will succeed. So even if the appeal fails IA will still be around, you just won't be able to officially borrow books on there anymore(though I suspect people will upload books on there anyways in PDF format so people can download them themself so in practice I don't think this lawsuit will do much).

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Hachette vs. Internet Archive Mar 27, 2023 4:10:39 GMT

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Post by darkrage6 on Mar 27, 2023 4:10:39 GMT

Mar 26, 2023 22:31:22 GMT treasurehunter64x said:

This means A. Lots of lost media to find and B. Probably no Wayback Machine.

No the Wayback Machine itself isn't part of the lawsuit, the publishers just don't want IA to have entire books that people can borrow from their site anymore, anything else on IA won't be affected by the lawsuit.

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Hachette vs. Internet Archive Mar 27, 2023 4:12:07 GMT chris110 likes this

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Post by darkrage6 on Mar 27, 2023 4:12:07 GMT

Mar 25, 2023 22:43:23 GMT chris110 said:

There’s going to be a lot of stuff that was once rediscovered to become lost once again except permanent this time.

no this lawsuit is only targeting IA's book-borrowing program and nothing else, the films and TV show and other stuff on IA isn't going anywhere. Even if they get sued plenty of people are willing to donate to IA to pay off whatever damages they get hit with, this isn't going to be like Gawker(which most people didn't like anyways so few people were really sad to see that awful gossip rag site go anyways).

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Hachette vs. Internet Archive Mar 27, 2023 4:56:56 GMT via mobile

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Mar 27, 2023 4:09:52 GMT darkrage6 said:

From what i've heard this lawsuit isn't trying to shutdown the whole IA, just make it so that you can't borrow entire books on there anymore. Also IA is currently appealing the ruling and there's a good chance that will succeed. So even if the appeal fails IA will still be around, you just won't be able to officially borrow books on there anymore(though I suspect people will upload books on there anyways in PDF format so people can download them themself so in practice I don't think this lawsuit will do much).

Thank goodness! I’ve heard a lot of negativity around this ordeal. I wrote this originally when the suit ended and kinda jumped to the worst (something i tend to do lmao).

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Hachette vs. Internet Archive Mar 27, 2023 5:24:04 GMT

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Post by tomysshadow on Mar 27, 2023 5:24:04 GMT

This is fearmongering. The lawsuit does not impact the community collections or Wayback Machine. It pertains to Internet Archive's lending of digital e-books.

The Internet Archive says it will continue acting as a library in other ways, despite the decision. “This case does not challenge many of the services we provide with digitized books including interlibrary loan, citation linking, access for the print-disabled, text and data mining, purchasing ebooks, and ongoing donation and preservation of books,” writes Freeland.

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Hachette vs. Internet Archive Mar 27, 2023 6:08:24 GMT via mobile

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Mar 27, 2023 5:24:04 GMT tomysshadow said:

This is fearmongering. The lawsuit does not impact the community collections or Wayback Machine. It pertains to Internet Archive's lending of digital e-books.

The Internet Archive says it will continue acting as a library in other ways, despite the decision. “This case does not challenge many of the services we provide with digitized books including interlibrary loan, citation linking, access for the print-disabled, text and data mining, purchasing ebooks, and ongoing donation and preservation of books,” writes Freeland.

Yes, i now understand this! Thank you! I posted this as soon as the suit ended, and I guess I wasn’t as informed as I thought.

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Hachette vs. Internet Archive Mar 27, 2023 6:13:36 GMT via mobile nostalgiaguy likes this

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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 6:13:36 GMT

I’ll probably be deleting this thread soon. I apologize to anyone I may have worried with this! It’s my fault for not being too informed and thinking with the heart more than the brain. I’ll link some well informed info on this suit and will step back from responding.

I’m honestly new to lost media searching (i’ve observed the community for a while now), and really thought I was doing something! I still want to help out around the community, but maybe I’ll stick to media searching!

Again, my sincerest apologizes for possibly causing fear with this!♡

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachette_v._Internet_Archive
www.theverge.com/2023/3/24/23655804/internet-archive-hatchette-publisher-ebook-library-lawsuit

(The Verge article has the full case typed up! Happy reading!)

Last Edit: Mar 27, 2023 6:21:45 GMT by Deleted: Added Links!

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Hachette vs. Internet Archive Mar 27, 2023 12:17:58 GMT nostalgiaguy likes this

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Post by Gilby1385 on Mar 27, 2023 12:17:58 GMT

Mar 27, 2023 4:12:07 GMT darkrage6 said:

Mar 25, 2023 22:43:23 GMT chris110 said:

There’s going to be a lot of stuff that was once rediscovered to become lost once again except permanent this time.

no this lawsuit is only targeting IA's book-borrowing program and nothing else, the films and TV show and other stuff on IA isn't going anywhere. Even if they get sued plenty of people are willing to donate to IA to pay off whatever damages they get hit with, this isn't going to be like Gawker(which most people didn't like anyways so few people were really sad to see that awful gossip rag site go anyways).

Phew! Thank goodness for that.

Gee willikers!

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Hachette vs. Internet Archive Mar 29, 2023 10:50:28 GMT via mobile

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Post by bluebaron on Mar 29, 2023 10:50:28 GMT

Mar 27, 2023 12:17:58 GMT Gilby1385 said:

Mar 27, 2023 4:12:07 GMT darkrage6 said:

no this lawsuit is only targeting IA's book-borrowing program and nothing else, the films and TV show and other stuff on IA isn't going anywhere. Even if they get sued plenty of people are willing to donate to IA to pay off whatever damages they get hit with, this isn't going to be like Gawker(which most people didn't like anyways so few people were really sad to see that awful gossip rag site go anyways).

Phew! Thank goodness for that.

Why wouldn't this situation cause a cascading event?

Post by allgall on Mar 25, 2023 13:46:37 GMT

Post by Gilby1385 on Mar 25, 2023 20:37:29 GMT

Post by chris110 on Mar 25, 2023 22:43:23 GMT

Post by luffy4 on Mar 26, 2023 18:45:48 GMT

Post by GrigioGuy on Mar 26, 2023 21:54:38 GMT

Post by treasurehunter64x on Mar 26, 2023 22:31:22 GMT

Post by darkrage6 on Mar 27, 2023 4:09:52 GMT

Post by darkrage6 on Mar 27, 2023 4:10:39 GMT

Post by darkrage6 on Mar 27, 2023 4:12:07 GMT

Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 4:56:56 GMT

Post by tomysshadow on Mar 27, 2023 5:24:04 GMT

Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 6:08:24 GMT

Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 6:13:36 GMT

Post by Gilby1385 on Mar 27, 2023 12:17:58 GMT

Post by bluebaron on Mar 29, 2023 10:50:28 GMT

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