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Deleted YouTube channel Neon Biscuit [Comen] (2016-2019) Sept 29, 2024 10:28:59 GMT

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Post by gordon on Sept 29, 2024 10:28:59 GMT

Sept 29, 2024 2:59:16 GMT ughschalooob said:

I do, checked it thru the wayback machine several times but despite being saved on there before it was deleted it won't load :/

youtube.com/channel/UC9ktjI6aLUhHCWDG7nkaNQQ

(and yes it is lol)

It appears the earliest Wayback captures are redirects to the mobile version of YouTube. Since it is JavaScript-based instead of HTML-based, meaning the browser downloads a program that then loads the content instead of loading the content directly, it becomes much more difficult to archive.

The desktop edition of the website is JavaScript-based too (it's called "polymer"), but it appears the developers at the Wayback Machine put more work into making it able to be archived and displayed.

Nowadays, the Wayback Machine is able to sometimes archive YouTube polymer pages, but it wasn't in 2019.

Before YouTube switched to polymer in August 2017, it was HTML-based so archival was easy (except comments, which were AJAX-loaded).

Comments were HTML-based until 2013. This is why watch pages prior to 2013 contain visible comments. Back then it was lightweight and easy to archive, not the bloated mess of today.

Last Edit: Sept 29, 2024 12:04:34 GMT by gordon: polymer clarification

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Cartoon with a personified bird who owns a shopping mall Sept 29, 2024 9:05:49 GMT

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Aug 15, 2024 2:08:32 GMT tostr said:

BoJack Horseman?
Tuca And Bertie?
Regular Show?

Not BoJack Horseman because I can't remember any horses in that show.

Tuca And Bertie commenced in 2019 so it can't be it.

Regular Show has a shopping mall but it looks different.

Aug 16, 2024 15:50:56 GMT surrealkangaroo said:

Maybe Breadwinners?

I remember having watched this show at some point, and it commenced in 2014, so there is a slight possibility this is it, but I could not find any pictures of this show containing any shopping mall.

Can you name an episode which contains a shopping mall?

gordon Lost Media Casual “The hardest thing in history is to be there when it happens.” Posts: 93	Deleted YouTube channel Neon Biscuit [Comen] (2016-2019) Sept 28, 2024 20:57:54 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by gordon on Sept 28, 2024 20:57:54 GMT Do you have the URL to their original channel? (Your username is a reference to Henry Stickmin, right? 😉)

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YouTube removed its 720p+audio format, Wayback Machine limited to 360p. Sept 28, 2024 20:46:05 GMT

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Post by gordon on Sept 28, 2024 20:46:05 GMT

YouTube recently got rid of format code 22 ("itag=22" in the googlevideo.com URL). This was the format code for 720p+audio in one file. While videos can still be watched in 720p, those are made from separate video and audio streams and merged locally rather than being served as a finished file.

Now, only the format code 18 (360p+audio) contains both video and audio in one format. All the other formats have separated video and audio streams that are merged by the watcher's computer.

Here is a sample output of the format list from Baby Shark, using ytdlp -F www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqZsoesa55w :

ID  EXT   RESOLUTION FPS CH │   FILESIZE   TBR PROTO │ VCODEC          VBR ACODEC      ABR ASR MORE INFO
───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
sb3 mhtml 48x27        1    │                  mhtml │ images                                  storyboard
sb2 mhtml 80x45        1    │                  mhtml │ images                                  storyboard
sb1 mhtml 160x90       1    │                  mhtml │ images                                  storyboard
sb0 mhtml 320x180      1    │                  mhtml │ images                                  storyboard
233 mp4   audio only        │                  m3u8  │ audio only          unknown             Default
234 mp4   audio only        │                  m3u8  │ audio only          unknown             Default
249 webm  audio only      2 │  739.04KiB   44k https │ audio only          opus        44k 48k low, THROTTLED, webm_dash
250 webm  audio only      2 │  967.11KiB   58k https │ audio only          opus        58k 48k low, THROTTLED, webm_dash
139 m4a   audio only      2 │  811.52KiB   49k https │ audio only          mp4a.40.5   49k 22k low, m4a_dash
251 webm  audio only      2 │    1.83MiB  113k https │ audio only          opus       113k 48k medium, THROTTLED, webm_dash
140 m4a   audio only      2 │    2.10MiB  130k https │ audio only          mp4a.40.2  130k 44k medium, m4a_dash
602 mp4   256x144     15    │ ~  1.61MiB  100k m3u8  │ vp09.00.10.08  100k video only
394 mp4   256x144     30    │    1.11MiB   68k https │ av01.0.00M.08   68k video only          144p, THROTTLED, mp4_dash
278 webm  256x144     30    │    1.49MiB   92k https │ vp9             92k video only          144p, THROTTLED, webm_dash
269 mp4   256x144     30    │ ~  2.95MiB  182k m3u8  │ avc1.4D400C    182k video only
160 mp4   256x144     30    │    1.55MiB   96k https │ avc1.4D400C     96k video only          144p, mp4_dash
603 mp4   256x144     30    │ ~  2.53MiB  156k m3u8  │ vp09.00.11.08  156k video only
395 mp4   426x240     30    │    2.06MiB  127k https │ av01.0.00M.08  127k video only          240p, THROTTLED, mp4_dash
242 webm  426x240     30    │    3.16MiB  195k https │ vp9            195k video only          240p, THROTTLED, webm_dash
229 mp4   426x240     30    │ ~  4.88MiB  301k m3u8  │ avc1.4D4015    301k video only
133 mp4   426x240     30    │    2.75MiB  169k https │ avc1.4D4015    169k video only          240p, mp4_dash
604 mp4   426x240     30    │ ~  4.68MiB  289k m3u8  │ vp09.00.20.08  289k video only
396 mp4   640x360     30    │    4.06MiB  250k https │ av01.0.01M.08  250k video only          360p, THROTTLED, mp4_dash
18  mp4   640x360     30  2 │ ≈  7.25MiB  447k https │ avc1.42001E         mp4a.40.2       44k 360p, THROTTLED
243 webm  640x360     30    │    5.44MiB  335k https │ vp9            335k video only          360p, THROTTLED, webm_dash
230 mp4   640x360     30    │ ~ 12.24MiB  755k m3u8  │ avc1.4D401E    755k video only
134 mp4   640x360     30    │    5.16MiB  318k https │ avc1.4D401E    318k video only          360p, mp4_dash
605 mp4   640x360     30    │ ~  9.19MiB  567k m3u8  │ vp09.00.21.08  567k video only
397 mp4   854x480     30    │    6.79MiB  419k https │ av01.0.04M.08  419k video only          480p, THROTTLED, mp4_dash
244 webm  854x480     30    │    8.45MiB  521k https │ vp9            521k video only          480p, THROTTLED, webm_dash
231 mp4   854x480     30    │ ~ 16.71MiB 1031k m3u8  │ avc1.4D401F   1031k video only
135 mp4   854x480     30    │    7.37MiB  455k https │ avc1.4D401F    455k video only          480p, mp4_dash
606 mp4   854x480     30    │ ~ 15.11MiB  932k m3u8  │ vp09.00.30.08  932k video only
398 mp4   1280x720    30    │   12.29MiB  758k https │ av01.0.05M.08  758k video only          720p, THROTTLED, mp4_dash
247 webm  1280x720    30    │   14.23MiB  877k https │ vp9            877k video only          720p, THROTTLED, webm_dash
232 mp4   1280x720    30    │ ~ 26.20MiB 1616k m3u8  │ avc1.4D401F   1616k video only
136 mp4   1280x720    30    │   12.39MiB  764k https │ avc1.4D401F    764k video only          720p, mp4_dash
609 mp4   1280x720    30    │ ~ 27.56MiB 1700k m3u8  │ vp09.00.31.08 1700k video only
399 mp4   1920x1080   30    │   20.50MiB 1264k https │ av01.0.08M.08 1264k video only          1080p, THROTTLED, mp4_dash
248 webm  1920x1080   30    │   27.09MiB 1670k https │ vp9           1670k video only          1080p, THROTTLED, webm_dash
270 mp4   1920x1080   30    │ ~ 73.26MiB 4518k m3u8  │ avc1.640028   4518k video only
137 mp4   1920x1080   30    │   36.22MiB 2234k https │ avc1.640028   2234k video only          1080p, mp4_dash
614 mp4   1920x1080   30    │ ~ 44.98MiB 2775k m3u8  │ vp09.00.40.08 2775k video only
616 mp4   1920x1080   30    │ ~ 92.56MiB 5709k m3u8  │ vp09.00.40.08 5709k video only          Premium

As you may notice, format code 18 is the only format that has both a video and an audio track in one file. There used to be a format code 22 which has an audio track but is in 720p. YouTube got rid of that a few months ago. YouTube also used to have a format code 37 which was 1080p+audio, but they got rid of that many years ago, around 2015.

youtube-dl and ytdlp work by downloading the video and audio tracks separately and merging them into one MP4 or WEBM file locally. You can also manually specify formats like this (in both youtube-dl and ytdlp):

ytdlp -f 232+140
This downloads the muted 720p version (format code 232) with the audio-only track from format code 140 and merges them into one file locally. Formats that are marked as "throttled" can not be downloaded.

Since the Wayback Machine used format code 22 to archive YouTube videos that were available in at least 720p, it now falls back on format code 18, so the Wayback Machine will only be archiving YouTube videos in garbage 360p for the foreseeable future.

I am writing this to encourage you to save any YouTube videos that you think are worth preserving in 720p or higher, even if the Wayback Machine has already saved it. Remember, more than half of what was on YouTube in 2010 is gone. This means there probably is a majority chance that any given video you watch today will no longer be on YouTube by 2034.

Uploaders take down videos, channels get terminated, taking all videos with them, and Google might decide to do another purge like they did to older unlisted videos in 2021.

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Most viewed lost videos Sept 28, 2024 6:43:55 GMT

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Post by gordon on Sept 28, 2024 6:43:55 GMT

The Dutch channel "Top Dingen" (later renamed to "Top Things") was wildly popular in 2018 and 2019. It contained lots of prank and rage compilation videos, some with tens of millions of views. Sadly, much of its history has been wiped for unknown reasons.

The video "Top 50 OH SHIT moments!" was infront of 1.6 million eyes, yet all that remains today is a reaction video with a ceiling fan background.

As usual, the Wayback Machine gave up after the first attempt to archive the video. Thankfully, it succeeded in archiving at least some of the other videos.

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How to find the source of stolen music? Sept 2, 2024 22:42:27 GMT

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Post by gordon on Sept 2, 2024 22:42:27 GMT

Aug 14, 2024 18:56:10 GMT strongfox said:

Shazam works 99% of the time unless someone remixed the song or rapped over an instrumental or similar.

Just tried it on Mr. Sunny Face, and this is the result:

www.shazam.com/song/1679957324/apna-raaj

Apna Raaj - Amani & ToffeeTV

Yet another narrated audio track that uses it as background music.

Perhaps Shazam knows the original but doesn't show it because it can only show one result at a time. This is why I am looking for a multi-result music recognition service.

Midomi.com showed multiple results while it worked, but it is now defunct.

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Windows XP End of Life VIdeo Sept 2, 2024 22:31:59 GMT MantleM likes this

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Post by gordon on Sept 2, 2024 22:31:59 GMT

Try this: web.archive.org/web/20141223235640/www.youtube.com/results?search_query=windows+xp

Is it among those videos?

Aug 19, 2024 23:36:26 GMT simuratedyt said:

alright, made a thread on the windows xp forums about this video, hopefully someone recognizes.

Aug 20, 2024 15:15:43 GMT simuratedyt said:

welp, they banned me because they thought it was spam, great.

Which Windows XP forum in particular? Reddit? Tom's Hardware? WindowsForum?

Just want to know in order to avoid wasting time on it.

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Are there any Wikimedia Commons administrators here? Aug 20, 2024 9:17:49 GMT

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Post by gordon on Aug 20, 2024 9:17:49 GMT

Aug 14, 2024 19:00:39 GMT strongfox said:

Why is this in this section when it has nothing to do with lost media? It's simply asking a question for unrelated to lost media. It should be in help or LMW Discussion.

"LMW discussion" is "For discussion of the LMW", and "Help" is "Need help with the site? Here's where to ask". It appeared to me that those forums are about LMW itself, not about external sites. But if this thread fits there better, feel free to move it there.

Edit: Just realized it was already moved. Thank you.

Last Edit: Aug 20, 2024 9:18:16 GMT by gordon: already moved

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How to find the source of stolen music? Aug 14, 2024 15:25:40 GMT

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Post by gordon on Aug 14, 2024 15:25:40 GMT

It seems TuneCore.com and Ingrooves are also abused to distribute stolen music.
Somehow, these tracks can be found using AHA-Music but are unplayable on YouTube.

Here is a link to a YouTube video that has 1555 views but is now blocked in every region. It was linked from this Reddit comment.

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How to find the source of stolen music? Aug 14, 2024 14:18:52 GMT

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Post by gordon on Aug 14, 2024 14:18:52 GMT

Sometimes, music identification services fail to identify the real name of a sound track because some video used it as a background music or stole it entirely.

For example, "Mr. Sunny Face" is a track by Wayne Jones from the YouTube audio library.

If you plug it into AHA-Music, it will return the titles of viral YouTube videos that used it, or obscure DistroKid videos that stole it, such as "Must Watch Fun - Bowdelle" (no YouTube URL), "Crossing paths - Peaceful Reflections Studio" (YouTube URL, a stolen copy of that song), and "Bad Money" by Mark Angel Comedy (YouTube URL, uses it as background music).

If you plug some tracks by "Vibe Tracks", you might get results of "DJoNemesis" who just added low-quality voiceovers. For example, Baffo d'Oro (DJoNemesis & Lilly Golden Version Mix) is from Vibe Tracks - Fun.

Because AHA-Music shows nothing beyond one result, it can not get past videos that stole it or viral videos that used it as background music.

Are there any music identification services that can show multiple results?

Midomi.com / SoundHound actually did, but it is defective.

And where do music identification services get their results from? It's not like AHA-Music crawls the entirety of YouTube, right?

Last Edit: Aug 14, 2024 14:30:30 GMT by gordon: missing dash

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Cartoon with a personified bird who owns a shopping mall Aug 14, 2024 7:12:57 GMT

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Post by gordon on Aug 14, 2024 7:12:57 GMT

There was a cartoon series with a personified bird who owns a shopping mall. (There is a slight chance that it was a different animal, but it very likely was a bird but with arms and legs.)

In one of the episodes, there was a book which predicted the weather for a very long time. One of the characters read from that book and everything he read happened outside the windows in real time. Then they read the word "storm" from that book but didn't finish reading. It was something like "storm of rainbows" or something like that. The people stayed inside the mall and missed out on the good weather thinking the weather would be bad.

Can anyone name this series?

It can't be "Bird & Squirrel" because that premiered in 2019. I watched that episode in 2014 or earlier, so it couldn't have been that.

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Are there any Wikimedia Commons administrators here? Aug 14, 2024 5:46:45 GMT extremewreck2000 likes this

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Sometimes, files on Wikimedia Commons are deleted for being out of scope or for having a license that is not permissive enough (e.g. with NonCommercial or NoDerivations). While I understand it, it sadly appears the administrators at Commons are reluctant to hand out deleted files so they can be preserved elsewhere.

(For anyone who doesn't know, Commons administrators can view deleted files and undo deletions.)

Are there any Wikimedia Commons administrators on this forum who are willing to provide deleted files for preservation elsewhere?

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Lost YouTube Videos You Remember Watching Aug 14, 2024 5:37:52 GMT

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During the 2020 lockdown in Spain, someone filmed DJ Albert Valls blasting music from his balcony to simulate a concert. The original video was online for three and a half years and is now nowhere to be found.

The video in question (Locura en el balcón de tu casa) was available from April 2020 until November 2023 when its YouTube channel (Adrián Perez) mysteriously vanished (SocialBlade data, channel ID). Apparently the uploader voluntarily deleted their channel because otherwise the video error message would indicate that the channel was terminated.

The Wayback Machine only got the watch page, not the video.

The original audio is lost but not the video because someone created a parody that replaced the original audio with Caramelldansen: DJ blasts Caramelldansen on a Balcony.

One could try establishing contact with whoever created the parody ("epic channel"), since they might have the original video file, but I doubt they care enough about preserving lost media that they would hand out the file, so this is probably a futile task.

It appears the majority of people only care about today and tomorrow, not about long-term preservation of media.

Last Edit: Aug 14, 2024 5:40:32 GMT by gordon: URL fix

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Most viewed lost videos Aug 14, 2024 5:23:34 GMT

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"Dagi Bee" is one of the most followed YouTube creators from Germany. She started uploading videos in 2012 and launched a second channel in 2014 for vlogging, gaming, and reaction content. For example, in one video she played Mario Kart with fans.

That second channel was originally named "BE a BEE", later renamed to "Dagi & Eugen" (2020-08-31). Most videos were still up at the end of 2023 (2023-12-22).

At some point after that, the channel was renamed to "Eugen Kazakov" (real name of the husband of Dagi Bee) and all videos were purged. It appears that Dagi gifted that channel to Eugen who then decided to take everything down.

Pretty much none of those videos, even those with over a million views, have been preserved. Over a million eyes saw those videos, yet no traces exist today.

"The internet never forgets" - oh, yes. It forgets constantly.

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Unplayable music on obscure YouTube "topic channels" May 31, 2024 23:49:35 GMT

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May 31, 2024 23:43:42 GMT strongfox said:

anyone can post a song from any time frame. Think about a band from say the 80's none of there music was made in the time frame from opening of YouTube until now and then the band disbands. Someone who works for that company or even one of the band members could at any time upload the music to YouTube and it will say whatever time it was put on YouTube when they upload it. The time it was uploaded on YouTube doesn't necessarily mean it was the time that the song was made

I mean the description, which says "Released on: 2023-02-23", which is the same as the upload date. On the "Your Limit" video, it says "Released on: 2022-07-29" and the upload date is August 1st, 2022, so it is different.

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