Are there even people that actually want NSFL footage found? There's a ton of talk about people not wanting stuff like gore footage found (rightfully so!) but I never really see the people that actually want to see it. I guess there were a couple edgelords on the original Christine Chubbuck thread, but even then those posts were from like 2016. Plus there's already too much gore footage online... eugh.
Anyway. I always felt like there should be a different term for really NSFL lost media, stuff like death footage I mean. I was going to suggest a different term for NSFL lost media in general, since it really does get boiled down to the worst of the worst, but I realized that would mean still grouping stuff that wouldn't really hurt to find (like NSFL video games or fictional films) with stuff that really needs to stay lost and that'd just be silly.
Just to differentiate, yknow? I always felt calling stuff like suicide footage "lost media" is weird just because to me, the term "lost media" implies there should be or is an active effort to find it. But that's just how I feel
Post by sadeltriraidersfan on Jun 13, 2024 4:52:54 GMT
Most "lost porn" stuff. I don't have anything against porn morally, and I'm not against search teams looking for it. I just find the idea of finding "lost" porn to be kinda self-defeating. Most porn isn't artistic or nuanced; it just exists to be looked at for a few minutes and be done with it. It's like reality TV/fast food - you consume it and you're done with it. Unless it's something that's culturally significant, the idea of searching for lost porn feels pointless.
I'd actually say that "Him" (the gay Jesus porn) is worth looking for because at least it's culturally/artistically significant. If it's something that's well remembered like Debbie Does Dallas, then sure a search team makes sense. But most porn is just the same repetitive drivel over and over again. That's not getting into the ethics of the production in the past, and how difficult it is to track down different people.
Speaking of which, staying on the mild side of things, I prefer most LCD screen "games" (such as Tiger Electronics crap) stay lost. It's just a bunch of digits on the screen that emulate gameplay. It's so rudimentary and pointless in archiving in my opinion. They weren't made with particular soul or creativity - just to make a fast dollar.
On the more edgy side of things... I'd say any racist video game or flash game can stay lost. No one needs to see that garbage again. I know that some of these things have unfortunately been found and archived, but I'd rather they be destroyed or stay lost. Absolutely no artistic value in these things.
Any live sporting footage that depicts an athlete dying. To be frank, I find the incidents themselves and their stories to be incredibly fascinating - Chuck Hughes, Al Lucas, Flo Hyman, Becky Zerlentes, Antonio Puerta, Marc Vivien-Foe, Samuel Okwaraji, etc. The Al Lucas article I wrote on LMW was a fascinating rabbit hole to explore. The aftermath of these events is interesting to document too, and as tragic as these events were, they are important in preventing future tragedy. However, I would prefer events of these magnitude that haven't been publicly published to stay that way, or at the very least republished tastefully. I know the Flo Hyman death footage was republished for educational purposes. Marc Vivien-Foe has so many tributes.
Are there even people that actually want NSFL footage found? There's a ton of talk about people not wanting stuff like gore footage found (rightfully so!) but I never really see the people that actually want to see it. I guess there were a couple edgelords on the original Christine Chubbuck thread, but even then those posts were from like 2016. Plus there's already too much gore footage online... eugh.
Anyway. I always felt like there should be a different term for really NSFL lost media, stuff like death footage I mean. I was going to suggest a different term for NSFL lost media in general, since it really does get boiled down to the worst of the worst, but I realized that would mean still grouping stuff that wouldn't really hurt to find (like NSFL video games or fictional films) with stuff that really needs to stay lost and that'd just be silly.
Just to differentiate, yknow? I always felt calling stuff like suicide footage "lost media" is weird just because to me, the term "lost media" implies there should be or is an active effort to find it. But that's just how I feel
The people who want NSFL footage to be found are either people with curiosity getting the worst of them or complete edgelords that find people dying entertaining or funny for some reason. I always found the fact that gore was ever included online in the first place to be disrespectful. Even if some of those NSFL things ended up not being lost media, I say they should've never been recovered. People are just really strange about recorded media that include suicide or other kinds of deaths for some reason. I feel so bad for the families who lost members of their family only for them to be taunted online by strangers that they don't even know.
If anything regarding death footage is considered "lost media', I think it would be better for those to stay lost, especially out of respect for the victims and their families. There's a difference between the reality we have to live in and art that has fictional shock factor in it.
Are there even people that actually want NSFL footage found? There's a ton of talk about people not wanting stuff like gore footage found (rightfully so!) but I never really see the people that actually want to see it. I guess there were a couple edgelords on the original Christine Chubbuck thread, but even then those posts were from like 2016. Plus there's already too much gore footage online... eugh.
Anyway. I always felt like there should be a different term for really NSFL lost media, stuff like death footage I mean. I was going to suggest a different term for NSFL lost media in general, since it really does get boiled down to the worst of the worst, but I realized that would mean still grouping stuff that wouldn't really hurt to find (like NSFL video games or fictional films) with stuff that really needs to stay lost and that'd just be silly.
Just to differentiate, yknow? I always felt calling stuff like suicide footage "lost media" is weird just because to me, the term "lost media" implies there should be or is an active effort to find it. But that's just how I feel
Seeing NSFW/NSFL stuff doesn't particularly interest me the way it did a long time ago. Documenting certain things like any other piece of history is what usually does nowadays when I have the mental fortitude for it; be it bizarre NSFW movies or real-life recordings and incidents that either have a lot of layers to it or it requires more elbow grease to report on.
Something I've said here for years is that topics like these need to be handled with maturity, dignity, class, and respect -- and if that's something you're incapable of doing (or understanding given that people like to treat everyone who has these discussions as terrible, predatory creeps), then you don't have to participate in them nor should you. Discussing such topics isn't the same as actively wanting to see or find them and it's easy to cross a line between being respectful and being exploitative in a super grimy way. [For example, a video floating around about NSFW/NSFL lost media that shouldn't be found has a certain piece of content in the thumbnail (uncensored so you see the title) that is very illegal to own -- and seeing it have the amount of views it has still pisses me off.]
If you take on an endeavor like that, especially when it involves real people, you have a new responsibility to ensure you get your facts right and, in a way, you approach some of it with kid gloves. Some things can be genuinely unsettling and uncomfortable to discuss, but history is like that in general, and depending on the context and subject matter, it can look a certain way if you're more or less told to turn a blind eye to it and pretend it doesn't exist.
It's a shame that there are bad actors in our community who have made it that much harder to want to have mature discussions without it getting messy or heavily derailed. I feel that there could be some good that can come out of these discussions, but we'll never know.
Are there even people that actually want NSFL footage found? There's a ton of talk about people not wanting stuff like gore footage found (rightfully so!) but I never really see the people that actually want to see it. I guess there were a couple edgelords on the original Christine Chubbuck thread, but even then those posts were from like 2016. Plus there's already too much gore footage online... eugh.
Anyway. I always felt like there should be a different term for really NSFL lost media, stuff like death footage I mean. I was going to suggest a different term for NSFL lost media in general, since it really does get boiled down to the worst of the worst, but I realized that would mean still grouping stuff that wouldn't really hurt to find (like NSFL video games or fictional films) with stuff that really needs to stay lost and that'd just be silly.
Just to differentiate, yknow? I always felt calling stuff like suicide footage "lost media" is weird just because to me, the term "lost media" implies there should be or is an active effort to find it. But that's just how I feel
Seeing NSFW/NSFL stuff doesn't particularly interest me the way it did a long time ago. Documenting certain things like any other piece of history is what usually does nowadays when I have the mental fortitude for it; be it bizarre NSFW movies or real-life recordings and incidents that either have a lot of layers to it or it requires more elbow grease to report on.
Something I've said here for years is that topics like these need to be handled with maturity, dignity, class, and respect -- and if that's something you're incapable of doing (or understanding given that people like to treat everyone who has these discussions as terrible, predatory creeps), then you don't have to participate in them nor should you. Discussing such topics isn't the same as actively wanting to see or find them and it's easy to cross a line between being respectful and being exploitative in a super grimy way. [For example, a video floating around about NSFW/NSFL lost media that shouldn't be found has a certain piece of content in the thumbnail (uncensored so you see the title) that is very illegal to own -- and seeing it have the amount of views it has still pisses me off.]
If you take on an endeavor like that, especially when it involves real people, you have a new responsibility to ensure you get your facts right and, in a way, you approach some of it with kid gloves. Some things can be genuinely unsettling and uncomfortable to discuss, but history is like that in general, and depending on the context and subject matter, it can look a certain way if you're more or less told to turn a blind eye to it and pretend it doesn't exist.
It's a shame that there are bad actors in our community who have made it that much harder to want to have mature discussions without it getting messy or heavily derailed. I feel that there could be some good that can come out of these discussions, but we'll never know.
don't go talking about NSFL stuff that you don't want found because it will lead to the thread being locked
Are there even people that actually want NSFL footage found? There's a ton of talk about people not wanting stuff like gore footage found (rightfully so!) but I never really see the people that actually want to see it. I guess there were a couple edgelords on the original Christine Chubbuck thread, but even then those posts were from like 2016. Plus there's already too much gore footage online... eugh.
Anyway. I always felt like there should be a different term for really NSFL lost media, stuff like death footage I mean. I was going to suggest a different term for NSFL lost media in general, since it really does get boiled down to the worst of the worst, but I realized that would mean still grouping stuff that wouldn't really hurt to find (like NSFL video games or fictional films) with stuff that really needs to stay lost and that'd just be silly.
Just to differentiate, yknow? I always felt calling stuff like suicide footage "lost media" is weird just because to me, the term "lost media" implies there should be or is an active effort to find it. But that's just how I feel
Seeing NSFW/NSFL stuff doesn't particularly interest me the way it did a long time ago. Documenting certain things like any other piece of history is what usually does nowadays when I have the mental fortitude for it; be it bizarre NSFW movies or real-life recordings and incidents that either have a lot of layers to it or it requires more elbow grease to report on.
Something I've said here for years is that topics like these need to be handled with maturity, dignity, class, and respect -- and if that's something you're incapable of doing (or understanding given that people like to treat everyone who has these discussions as terrible, predatory creeps), then you don't have to participate in them nor should you. Discussing such topics isn't the same as actively wanting to see or find them and it's easy to cross a line between being respectful and being exploitative in a super grimy way. [For example, a video floating around about NSFW/NSFL lost media that shouldn't be found has a certain piece of content in the thumbnail (uncensored so you see the title) that is very illegal to own -- and seeing it have the amount of views it has still pisses me off.]
If you take on an endeavor like that, especially when it involves real people, you have a new responsibility to ensure you get your facts right and, in a way, you approach some of it with kid gloves. Some things can be genuinely unsettling and uncomfortable to discuss, but history is like that in general, and depending on the context and subject matter, it can look a certain way if you're more or less told to turn a blind eye to it and pretend it doesn't exist.
It's a shame that there are bad actors in our community who have made it that much harder to want to have mature discussions without it getting messy or heavily derailed. I feel that there could be some good that can come out of these discussions, but we'll never know.
Yeah.
There's a fine line between being morbidly fascinated in a NSFL incident as some of them are interesting rabbit holes to explore, and being obsessed with it because you want to see the demise of a human being for some strange pleasure.
A good example is the aviation community (in particuar r/AirCrashInvestigation). It's fine to be interested in aviation disasters because some of them are so interesting (such as Malaysia Airlines Flight 370), but actually looking for immediate aftermath photos is something else and leads to some really messed up parts of the internet.
In before this topic is locked for people talking about NSFL
I think you're overreacting a bit. Nobody is explicitly talking about anything specific and there's a difference between the two. I take it you saw the word get mentioned and you stopped reading what I said.
Seeing NSFW/NSFL stuff doesn't particularly interest me the way it did a long time ago. Documenting certain things like any other piece of history is what usually does nowadays when I have the mental fortitude for it; be it bizarre NSFW movies or real-life recordings and incidents that either have a lot of layers to it or it requires more elbow grease to report on.
Something I've said here for years is that topics like these need to be handled with maturity, dignity, class, and respect -- and if that's something you're incapable of doing (or understanding given that people like to treat everyone who has these discussions as terrible, predatory creeps), then you don't have to participate in them nor should you. Discussing such topics isn't the same as actively wanting to see or find them and it's easy to cross a line between being respectful and being exploitative in a super grimy way. [For example, a video floating around about NSFW/NSFL lost media that shouldn't be found has a certain piece of content in the thumbnail (uncensored so you see the title) that is very illegal to own -- and seeing it have the amount of views it has still pisses me off.]
If you take on an endeavor like that, especially when it involves real people, you have a new responsibility to ensure you get your facts right and, in a way, you approach some of it with kid gloves. Some things can be genuinely unsettling and uncomfortable to discuss, but history is like that in general, and depending on the context and subject matter, it can look a certain way if you're more or less told to turn a blind eye to it and pretend it doesn't exist.
It's a shame that there are bad actors in our community who have made it that much harder to want to have mature discussions without it getting messy or heavily derailed. I feel that there could be some good that can come out of these discussions, but we'll never know.
Yeah.
There's a fine line between being morbidly fascinated in a NSFL incident as some of them are interesting rabbit holes to explore, and being obsessed with it because you want to see the demise of a human being for some strange pleasure.
A good example is the aviation community (in particuar r/AirCrashInvestigation). It's fine to be interested in aviation disasters because some of them are so interesting (such as Malaysia Airlines Flight 370), but actually looking for immediate aftermath photos is something else and leads to some really messed up parts of the internet.
Exactly. This is what I'm talking about, but apparently that didn't land with strongfox.
There's a fine line between being morbidly fascinated in a NSFL incident as some of them are interesting rabbit holes to explore, and being obsessed with it because you want to see the demise of a human being for some strange pleasure.
A good example is the aviation community (in particuar r/AirCrashInvestigation). It's fine to be interested in aviation disasters because some of them are so interesting (such as Malaysia Airlines Flight 370), but actually looking for immediate aftermath photos is something else and leads to some really messed up parts of the internet.
Exactly. This is what I'm talking about, but apparently that didn't land with strongfox.
don't talk bad about me. That's just wrong. I knew exactly what you where talking about and they shouldn't even be mentioned even in a thread that says you don't want found section because even mentioning them then you don't talk about them can lead to people talking about them
I think you're overreacting a bit. Nobody is explicitly talking about anything specific and there's a difference between the two.
I never said people are discussing them I said people are mentioning them. They shouldn't even be mentioned in this thread.
Someone asked a basic question, so I replied. Like I said in the thread, it sucks that the mere mention of something like this has gone to hell so bad that not even a civil discussion without specifics coming up is out of the question.
I never said people are discussing them I said people are mentioning them. They shouldn't even be mentioned in this thread.
Someone asked a basic question, so I replied. Like I said in the thread, it sucks that the mere mention of something like this has gone to hell so bad that not even a civil discussion without specifics coming up is out of the question.
I know the feeling. I venture into a lot of topics on a lot of different places and I know how it be when it goes off the rails. The fact stands though that rules need to be followed.
Hey all I'm gonna clear something up, and this is based on MY understanding:
I think this thread is fine as long as no active searches for NSFL media is being conducted. We also don't want back and forths on why NSFL searches are important or why they're not. A casual discussion should be fine though, because in reality, the NSFL articles still exist.
I have locked off-topic threads such as the Superman one, because it inevitably pushed people to search because they're obsessing over one topic within the thread. A listicle thread in my opinion is fine however, because nobody is doing a search, or at least they shouldn't be.
The rules with discussing NSFL topics has been incredibly murky on this site. The initial ban on the searches was due to the Christine Chubbick thread and carbonfreeze along with other users, advocating for these types of searches to stop. I'm inclined to agree, because family members of Chubbick were being contacted, and I think that's horrifying.
I will allow this thread until it either becomes too toxic, or people start a search for NSFL media.
Again, this is how I interpret the rule. So if you have any questions, maybe contact another mod or admin for further clarification.
