You have probably heard it being said everywhere: "I remember a show that nobody else seems to remember anymore (or even know in the first place)." This is probably the most logical definition of a forgotten cartoon that comes to my mind.
However, some of the cartoons that people call "forgotten" seem to be remembered more than they would expect. (I am pretty sure that Total Drama is quite popular, even as of now.)
It makes me wonder: What is a cartoon that is truly forgotten?
There is, after all, a difference between a show that nobody bothers to even mention and a show that is actually forgotten.
It just seems that some shows that are so-called "forgotten" are being overshadowed by new popular shows (you know the ones) and are simply dropped subject matters.
How can I possibly prove that the Spaghetti-O cartoon is truly forgotten? Maybe more people know about it than I think and really bother not to discuss it. (Come to think of it, though, it must be forgotten since nobody bothered to mention it even on this website; otherwise, it must be buried somewhere deep in the Internet.)
What would you say is a forgotten cartoon? (Keep in mind that I am not talking about shows that nobody discusses anymore; those shows could be remembered but may not be bothered mentioning. For example, Oggy and the Cockroaches cannot be forgotten if it has been broadcast in over 800 million households.)
I'd say that stuff that was restricted to a few locations/minor stations, had very short lifespan or was broadcast in a dead/graveyard timeslot is more likely to fade into true obscurity. Subpar productions are also often avoided by the general public, a fact that favors contemporary productions and helps them on overshadowing the inferior ones, rendering the effort of keeping those out of obscurity exclusive to the few who cared enough to like or despise them.
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I make a list of my favourite cartoons and place something like Sazae-san or Dragon Ball on the list. Somebody will tell me that the show does not belong on the list because it is an "anime" and not a cartoon.
Similarly, I make a list of cartoons that have been "forgotten" and place something like Total Drama on the list. This would just be confusing for so many people since that franchise has a fan base of millions of people yet has been called both underrated and overrated and is not really mentioned in conversations about animation today. (This may have been a bad example, but I am really confused about its reception at all.)
My point is that people can label any cartoon forgotten whether they are truly forgotten or merely undiscussed. (Again, I mention Oggy and the Cockroaches. You may be in the United States, but that is not an excuse to call a cartoon that you rarely hear people mention in that nation "forgotten" when it is broadcast in over 800 million households. I know that I mentioned these in my last post, but I felt that these were noteworthy antitheses to showcase.)
I like your definition, though, so the Spaghetti-O cartoon is forgotten after all (and likely lost media).
What do you think is forgotten? (Apologies for sounding redundant. I have just recently noticed some discussions about forgotten cartoons and felt bothered, as some of the cartoons seemed to have massive cult followings but were simply not mentioned anymore.)
Post by theCarbonFreeze on Jan 1, 2017 11:19:31 GMT
A lot of recent "forgotten" cartoons are probably stuff that just plain sucked so no one really watched and it was quickly pulled. I'm talking Butt Ugly Martians and that kinda thing. It was on enough to be noticed as bad, but not long enough to be reviled. So it just ended unceremoniously, faded into obscurity, and now no one talks about it anymore as it slowly fades from our collective memory. The vast majority of forgotten stuff deserves to be forgotten, in my experience. That said, every now and then you find a hidden gem. I search for older 60s albums, and while a lot of the rarer stuff is interesting and there's maybe a song or two I really like, a lot of the obscure stuff got that way for a reason. But then again, there's always that one buried gem which makes it all worth it.
A lot of recent "forgotten" cartoons are probably stuff that just plain sucked so no one really watched and it was quickly pulled. I'm talking Butt Ugly Martians and that kinda thing. It was on enough to be noticed as bad, but not long enough to be reviled. So it just ended unceremoniously, faded into obscurity, and now no one talks about it anymore as it slowly fades from our collective memory. The vast majority of forgotten stuff deserves to be forgotten, in my experience. That said, every now and then you find a hidden gem. I search for older 60s albums, and while a lot of the rarer stuff is interesting and there's maybe a song or two I really like, a lot of the obscure stuff got that way for a reason. But then again, there's always that one buried gem which makes it all worth it.
That sounds about right, now that I think about it. I am not sure if Bla Bla Bla (what must be a forgotten show and definitely lost media at that) was as good as I remember it to be, but I will know once I find my recordings of it and watch it.
I'd say that stuff that was restricted to a few locations/minor stations, had very short lifespan or was broadcast in a dead/graveyard timeslot is more likely to fade into true obscurity. Subpar productions are also often avoided by the general public, a fact that favors contemporary productions and helps them on overshadowing the inferior ones, rendering the effort of keeping those out of obscurity exclusive to the few who cared enough to like or despise them.
Sad thing is, even some relatively decent productions can get the shaft. 2004 German cartoon Altair in Starland has practically vanished into the deepest pits of obscurity, being put onto Tubi after some time of perhaps airing on a few unknown channels across the world, but the actual show itself, from the first 5 episodes anyway, is actually GOOD in my honest opinion. It has some funny humor, interesting characters & settings, some wild & bizarre plots that still make sense in a sense(as in, not plot hole-ridden madness), the intro music is a genuine banger, etc.
That's more or less how I view my experience when going through some of the most obscure cartoons or video games, for every like, 7 average or subpar games or shows there could be one that might actually worth watching/playing in some way & it just had the misfortune of being in a really crowded market filled with too many productions & I assume that's what happened with Altair in Starland: It was probably shafted to some obscure TV channels with very little airtime in a market that was too crowded for the show to get much of an audience & ultimately I don't think this show would really be able to get much aside from a minor cult following of like, less than 2,000 people considering all of the intense competition in the animated TV shows market just from the USA, Canada & Japan alone.
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Post by extremewreck2000 on Aug 18, 2024 17:01:25 GMT
Here's my sort of way of seeing this: What can make a piece of media forgotten can be put into various reasons: 1. Aired on a small channel/TV station: Some shows will just end up on such channels with not much of a chance of gaining a big audience due to the obscurity or limited reach of it. For example, if there was a show that only aired in like, 3 TV stations & they were in Idaho(FOX affiliate), Arkansas(independent station) & Tennessee(UPN affiliate) respectively, it's bound to be barely remembered, or really known about in general. Nicktoons, a premium cable channel, is used as sort of a dumping ground for Nick shows that start to not be considered profitable enough for the main network, a basic cable channel, & whatever originals they had tend to be short-lived, even if said show has been well received(see: Wolverine And the X-Men) 2. Little-to-no marketing/promos/adverts: Whoever's in charge of the channel it's airing on can decide to screw it over. One of the ways to do so is to not give it much, if any attention. There have been times where a show can just air on a channel with zero acknowledgement, such as with French-Canadian import Atomic Puppet when it aired on Disney XD, in which it wasn't even so much as mentioned in any commercial breaks on their website with the sole exception of the schedule listings. 3. Bad timeslots: Putting it in a timeslot where most people wouldn't tune in to watch the show can spell doom on a show. Say, there is this cool new cartoon you want. Guess what? It airs at like, 1:00 AM on a Friday morning, despite not containing anything that would've given it a TV-MA or even a TV-14 back in the '90s. Yeah, you could set your VCR to record it on that time every Friday, but unless you had the manual lying around, you would have no idea on how to make your VCR to do that & you probably didn't have any blank VHS tapes either. And that's just for basic TV & VCRs. With DVD-R's, cable & satellite TV, things become trickier. All of this combined with little-to-no advertising & you got yourself a true specimen of obscurity. 4. It's kinda mediocre: Let's be honest, for all the good & bad shows that people remember, ones that tend to just be mediocre or below average are often forgotten because they're... not all too fun to talk about & are not all too memorable. The stories are generic, the writing is cookie cutter, the animation is passible at best, the dialogue is just ok, it's just a mediocre, boring to watch cartoon that doesn't really do much. It just wastes a timeslot that could've gone to a better, more interesting show. Or... 5. It's a bit too niche: Despite their best efforts, sometimes a show fails & becomes forgotten because it was a bit too niche. Perhaps it was a cartoon whose humor was a bit too genius-ridden to be enjoyed by kids all that much, maybe it was too ahead of its time & touched issues that would be considered too risky back in those days, or it was too behind the times with the show being based on some trend that died a decade ago. Maybe it's based on some property that barely had an impact in any way. Or heck, the show was just too bizarre & absurd for most to really enjoy. 6. Overcompetitive market: Face it, for all the possible reasons something can become forgotten, one big reason can be because the market that something is in is just WAY too large for it to be half as popular as even something like Butt Ugly Martians(just let that thought sink in for a moment). Too many timeslots, VHSes & DVDs(the latter especially for direct-to-home-media productions) are being used by so many other shows & thus there's bound to be ones that slip through the cracks, falling into the worst of timeslots with no advertisement. Better hope that someone out there has preserved a few episodes out there so that it can get a small cult following years or decades later.
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Post by cheesypizza2000 on Aug 19, 2024 22:43:06 GMT
Not that the shows are forgotten by viewers but Nick Jr. the network appears to be forgetting about their shows that aren't Paw Patrol? I don't have cable so I haven't been able to verify this myself but I've heard there's been a Paw Patrol marathon ALL MONTH
Not that the shows are forgotten by viewers but Nick Jr. the network appears to be forgetting about their shows that aren't Paw Patrol? I don't have cable so I haven't been able to verify this myself but I've heard there's been a Paw Patrol marathon ALL MONTH
That sounds like something Cartoon Network did with Teen Titans Go! & I'm pretty sure they did do that at one point. Might be wrong, but I swear CN would just become nothing but constant TTG reruns.
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Not that the shows are forgotten by viewers but Nick Jr. the network appears to be forgetting about their shows that aren't Paw Patrol? I don't have cable so I haven't been able to verify this myself but I've heard there's been a Paw Patrol marathon ALL MONTH
That sounds like something Cartoon Network did with Teen Titans Go! & I'm pretty sure they did do that at one point. Might be wrong, but I swear CN would just become nothing but constant TTG reruns.
The literal thing keeping CN still together at the moment is just TTG and Gumball reruns.This channel is pretty much E.T in that one surgery scene at this point. (As in mainline CN.AS/Toonami is doing pretty good for itself in my opinion right now.)
Not that the shows are forgotten by viewers but Nick Jr. the network appears to be forgetting about their shows that aren't Paw Patrol? I don't have cable so I haven't been able to verify this myself but I've heard there's been a Paw Patrol marathon ALL MONTH
There was a 2 week marathon of JUST paw patrol in Serbia back in 2021/2022, like man who needs that much paw patrol. At least kids can now tell how repetitive it is.
Not that the shows are forgotten by viewers but Nick Jr. the network appears to be forgetting about their shows that aren't Paw Patrol? I don't have cable so I haven't been able to verify this myself but I've heard there's been a Paw Patrol marathon ALL MONTH
There was a 2 week marathon of JUST paw patrol in Serbia back in 2021/2022, like man who needs that much paw patrol. At least kids can now tell how repetitive it is.
Honestly, as crap as TTG is, at least THAT show has some variety as opposed to the bland, cookie cutterness of Paw Patrol.
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