A comment in that video that is revelant: "Everyone is missing the point on one of the biggest rules of the internet. Once something is posted there, it stays there no matter what. They can try as hard as they could to report and delete as many re-uploads as they can, but that will not erase the entire issue. Court cases may take place but that will eventually be tiring for Mark and Ethan to handle because of the amount of people re-uploading them. This will become a ridiculous cycle. Millions of people have probably saved those videos and re-upload them for those who never seen them. Look, I like Mark a lot but I felt like he missed a key thing about modern internet. I still think YouTube videos isn't the most effective medium of doing a message like this because there’s communities dedicated to not letting things become lost media."
-Comment by AestheticNIro
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IMO, these popular YouTubers are not my type of content creator to watch, so for me it was not worth checking out. I respect those who do tho I usually watch smaller channels, but your opinion may differ
When you're as big as Markiplier, I don't really think it's possible to create intentionally lost media like that. Announcing that content is temporary will just lead to people downloading all of it. He might be able to keep it off of YouTube, but Vimeo and torrents exist.
I'm still concerned that they might go after those as well.
There's archival Reddits going on and I'm sure people have had the forethought to back stuff up before the final stream. So, I hope they have fun trying to shut all of that down, especially their own fans.
To be totally honest, I didn't follow Unus Annus, but I wonder if the threats are simply just a way to stop the average joe looking at them, or making it more difficult than usual as opposed to, let's say, just having an official archive. A similar thing has happened with compilation/ VOD reupload channels especially from streamsers who so not want them. It's a matter of supression rather than destruction. They'll be there but only for people who really look/ search and over time as the attention to and fan base of Unus Annus dwindels they'll be harder and harder to find
A comment in that video that is revelant: "Everyone is missing the point on one of the biggest rules of the internet. Once something is posted there, it stays there no matter what. They can try as hard as they could to report and delete as many re-uploads as they can, but that will not erase the entire issue. Court cases may take place but that will eventually be tiring for Mark and Ethan to handle because of the amount of people re-uploading them. This will become a ridiculous cycle. Millions of people have probably saved those videos and re-upload them for those who never seen them. Look, I like Mark a lot but I felt like he missed a key thing about modern internet. I still think YouTube videos isn't the most effective medium of doing a message like this because there’s communities dedicated to not letting things become lost media."
IMO, these popular YouTubers are not my type of content creator to watch, so for me it was not worth checking out. I respect those who do tho I usually watch smaller channels, but your opinion may differ
Gonna expand on my opinion. I did not follow Unus Annus, but I heard about it. Honestly, I am all for the message that the channel brought (death is inevitable and we should live to the fullest). It is a good one. However, (and I don't mean to hate) I feel like the fans going after Unus Annus reuploads on YouTube (in the comments like this livestream, here, and this video; There is more as well but these are examples) do not understand how the internet works. Everything in the internet is forever, no matter what you do. Nothing is truly deleted. People need to understand that as well
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Post by forlornjackalope on Nov 15, 2020 23:49:31 GMT
Also, I feel like Unus Annus making the threats they are about people archiving their content is just the Streisand Effect waiting to happen (unless it is). So, while I think the idea of Unus Annus is interesting, they shouldn't be too surprised or upset if they get this kind of outcome. Like, do I even have to mention the Omegaverse lawsuit thing that's still going on?
Also, I feel like Unus Annus making the threats they are about people archiving their content is just the Streisand Effect waiting to happen (unless it is). So, while I think the idea of Unus Annus is interesting, they shouldn't be too surprised or upset if they get this kind of outcome. Like, do I even have to mention the Omegaverse lawsuit thing that's still going on?
I live under a rock; What is the Streisand effect and Omegaverse lawsuit thing?
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Media that is designed to go lost is, in my opinion, a waste of time. They have it, they are just trying to get extra attention at the expense of the community Part of the story of lost media is why it is lost. It is far more interesting to find lost episodes of contraversial tv shows or obscure films. If they are just doing the beanie baby "and only 500 will be made" bullshit then they are wasting our time. These e-celebs will do anything for fame. While it's entirely up to you if you want to search for it, I think there are better things to find in the catalog.
Personally not searching for it (I have too many on my plate), but I think there are already good archives for those who are looking for them if they know where to go
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Also, I feel like Unus Annus making the threats they are about people archiving their content is just the Streisand Effect waiting to happen (unless it is). So, while I think the idea of Unus Annus is interesting, they shouldn't be too surprised or upset if they get this kind of outcome. Like, do I even have to mention the Omegaverse lawsuit thing that's still going on?
I live under a rock; What is the Streisand effect and Omegaverse lawsuit thing?
The Streisand effect is a social phenomenon that occurs when an attempt to hide, remove, or censor information has the unintended consequence of further publicizing that information, often via the Internet. It is named after American entertainer Barbra Streisand, whose attempt to suppress the California Coastal Records Project's photograph of her residence in Malibu, California, taken to document California coastal erosion, inadvertently drew further attention to it in 2003. Attempts to suppress information are often made through cease-and-desist letters, but instead of being suppressed, the information receives extensive publicity, as well as media extensions such as videos and spoof songs, which can be mirrored on the Internet or distributed on file-sharing networks. The Streisand effect is an example of psychological reactance, wherein once people are aware that some information is being kept from them, they are significantly more motivated to access and spread that information.
As for the Omegaverse lawsuit, check out Lindsay Ellis' two videos on it because it will make a lot more sense. The first covered the lawsuit with an Omegaverse writer named Addison Cain to dragged other Omegaverse writers to court for fair use unjustly. The followup video was Lindsay herself discussing getting letters from Cain's lawyer claiming she violated fair use literally one day after it went up. It lead to Lindsay's original Omegaverse video being temporary removed from Patreon (and I think YouTube) before being allowed back on the site after 10 days if Cain and her lawyer didn't advance their legal action. Things are still ongoing, so it's unclear (though unlikely) that things will go to court. It's a wild ride, so get yourself some popcorn.
Note: Be sure to watch with headphones since the A/B/O stuff is NSFW.
Media that is designed to go lost is, in my opinion, a waste of time. They have it, they are just trying to get extra attention at the expense of the community Part of the story of lost media is why it is lost. It is far more interesting to find lost episodes of contraversial tv shows or obscure films. If they are just doing the beanie baby "and only 500 will be made" bullshit then they are wasting our time. These e-celebs will do anything for fame. While it's entirely up to you if you want to search for it, I think there are better things to find in the catalog.
Except they didn't do it for fame?
If you watched their content the series of videos clearly had a message, message being - what would you do if you had a single year left to live?
And with that being said that's what they did. The point of the series was not to try and get as much fame as they can considering they could easily put more work towards something that wouldn't be deleted, it was made more as an art piece. To show that everything in life is temporary and we must savour what time we have.