In the case of Geno, we don't actually know if he's real. So the "search" is to actually find proof that he was created as a physical item, which I would group into the existence unconfirmed category because we're looking for a picture which is media. Whether or not people want to accept that is their thing.
As for the lead...wow, I'm shocked that actually worked! Though I doubt he'll be able to tell us much more, this is definitely better than nothing.
Also we did have the link for that right? Cause I was hoping to locate the O'Hare listing in the same way....but that link is long gone.
Now Super, I'm a big fan, but let's worry about one thing at a time, let's see if mallow is official before we try and find geno, and if we can contact the seller of the 2000 or 2016 listing we could ask if they know of the geno, or if they had a tag, set sheet, or if they have any more. But you are very talented with your research, so if you could please help us with this, also keep a log so if we ever need to refer back to something. -Cess
So that's when I was all like, that's not a Camel, that's my wife!
Now, i have both pictures of the Mallow plush, THERE ARE HUGE DIFFERENCES. Now, LSuperSonicQ mentions this in his video but i can go into more detail:
1.) The collars are different, in the 2016 lot, Mallow's collar is way bigger, and the white stripe is very thin, as it should be, But in the 2000 listing, it is more curved and the white stripe is way bigger than in 2016,
2.) The Belt is way lower on the plush in 2016
3.) Expression have different width
4.) The pants are different materials
These are NOT the same plush its either that one of them is a custom or... one is a prototype and one is real, or maybe the quality control is off.
More research to come -Cess
So that's when I was all like, that's not a Camel, that's my wife!
We have discussed that, but it's a good thing you brought that up because it's a bigger deal than people make it out to be. We kind of just dismissed it as a weird angle, but they both are very different.
On second thought, they do both look the same; one just has the collar flipped over. The appearance of a different pants material could be lighting or any other number of reasons, but yeah, the 2000 one looks like fabric and the 2016 one a plastic of some sort.
One of these days I'll have to make a YJA account and try to message that guy a simple Japanese translation asking if any other characters were in the set.
♪ Good day, good day, I'm glad you came my way... ♪
We have discussed that, but it's a good thing you brought that up because it's a bigger deal than people make it out to be. We kind of just dismissed it as a weird angle, but they both are very different.
On second thought, they do both look the same; one just has the collar flipped over. The appearance of a different pants material could be lighting or any other number of reasons, but yeah, the 2000 one looks like fabric and the 2016 one a plastic of some sort.
One of these days I'll have to make a YJA account and try to message that guy a simple Japanese translation asking if any other characters were in the set.
Yes, But what about the colors?
So that's when I was all like, that's not a Camel, that's my wife!
I'm gonna bring over the images since the VGMM's forum is slowly crumbling before my eyes
The colors all check out. The reason the belt looks white in the first photo is because the collar is flipped over; you can still see the black peeking out by the blue buckle. Everything else you pointed out is minute and the plushes are way too similar to be different. The interesting thought is if these are the same exact plush that just exchanged hands. Could be a prototype; wouldn't be the first time.
Kinda wish Mario's head wasn't in the way so we could get a better look at Mallow's... er... um... "bulge" in the first picture, because goddamn is it prominent in the second.
♪ Good day, good day, I'm glad you came my way... ♪
I'm gonna bring over the images since the VGMM's forum is slowly crumbling before my eyes
The colors all check out. The reason the belt looks white in the first photo is because the collar is flipped over; you can still see the black peeking out by the blue buckle. Everything else you pointed out is minute and the plushes are way too similar to be different. The interesting thought is if these are the same exact plush that just exchanged hands. Could be a prototype; wouldn't be the first time.
Kinda wish Mario's head wasn't in the way so we could get a better look at Mallow's... er... um... "bulge" in the first picture, because goddamn is it prominent in the second.
Yes, but as i stated the thickness of the first white stripe from the middle is different in the different pictures
So that's when I was all like, that's not a Camel, that's my wife!
Ah I forgot all about this mystery. I'm curious to hear what you have to say, but if I had to guess it would be something along the lines of a custom plush you or someone in your family believes is official.
I don't really think anyone has been looking for this and the issue for me is still that language barrier between Japanese designers and us. It's almost impossible to locate someone like that on top of the fact that there's no efficient way to communicate with them unless we knew someone who spoke Japanese.
I still think this is one of those things to get solved when no one expects it- whether that be a flyer or image that pops up and can unravel the whole thing.
The theory about Mallow possibly being a Famitsu lottery prize makes the most sense to me, and if that's the case I'd assume Geno didn't exist. Of course with no evidence other than rarity to suggest he was a lottery prize in the first place, we're back to square one regarding his origins.
After having some time away from this, I think one of the reasons they'd create Mallow is because of how simple his design is vs. the elaborateness of Geno.
I mean, you think they would've went with Bowser and Peach over Geno and Mallow since they were already recognizable characters and party members.
Ah I forgot all about this mystery. I'm curious to hear what you have to say, but if I had to guess it would be something along the lines of a custom plush you or someone in your family believes is official.
I don't really think anyone has been looking for this and the issue for me is still that language barrier between Japanese designers and us. It's almost impossible to locate someone like that on top of the fact that there's no efficient way to communicate with them unless we knew someone who spoke Japanese.
I still think this is one of those things to get solved when no one expects it- whether that be a flyer or image that pops up and can unravel the whole thing.
The theory about Mallow possibly being a Famitsu lottery prize makes the most sense to me, and if that's the case I'd assume Geno didn't exist. Of course with no evidence other than rarity to suggest he was a lottery prize in the first place, we're back to square one regarding his origins.
Close but not actually. You see, my uncle used to have little video game shop named after Banjo-Kazooie called "The Stop n' Shop" he worked there for most of his life. He would sell retro games and Retro Memorabilia, he claims that he saw a set of Mario, Yoshi, Boshi, Geno, Mallow, Star, and Mushroom in a catalog when buying new stock for his store. He ended up only buying the Mushrooms and Stars because he claims the others were "Too Big", when i asked him about the Geno plush he said "It was around the same size as Mario and looked exactly like Geno. He claims the shiny material found on Mario and Yoshi was used on the blue parts of Geno. He said he did remember that is was Takara because he also bought their Super Mario Kart plushes that same day. I understand it's not a very believable story but it's all i have.
So that's when I was all like, that's not a Camel, that's my wife!
That's also pretty badass that he named his store after an unused Banjo-Kazooie feature.
If he is indeed telling the truth, this is a huge revelation, but it sounds fabricated cause these were in UFO catchers and not to be ordered (at least in the US as far as I'm aware) and the Star/Mushroom weren't much smaller than the other characters (they may be the same size). The store had to be founded in 1998 at the earliest to be named after something from Banjo-Kazooie... wouldn't that be a little late to be ordering stuff from Mario RPG? I dunno.
Not that i'm aware of he hasn't been known to lie. But to clarify the shop wasn't named "The Stop N' Shop" it was named Sully's Game Shack. Probably should've mentioned that... His store was founded 1992 apparently and he still claims that he remembers seeing the plushes in a Takara catalog and remembers what Geno looked like and did say that Mallow was there too. He's always been very close to me so i can't imagine him lying to me about this...
So that's when I was all like, that's not a Camel, that's my wife!
With anything told through word of mouth and not being able to be verified by fact, I'm naturally skeptical of your claim.
We've actually dug up old amusement catalogs in the past that featured Takara plushes (namely the Mario Kart, Kirby's Adventure, and Star Fox sets), and gave the breakdown of characters by case. I assume these were "order forms" for companies to get stock for their arcades, so in one regard yes Takara plushes could be ordered like that.
However, the catalog series that featured these stopped publishing in 1994, one year before the RPG plushes came out. This is why we don't have a set sheet for them and also why almost every other Takara set post-1994 doesn't have a set sheet (Banjo Kazooie and all the Donkey Kong Country sets to name a couple), and on top of that the catalogs were Japan only.
Regardless, I've never heard of 3rd party companies distributing UFO plushes to local stores in the 90s because the plushes were practically new in Japan and there definitely wasn't a market for them here in America at the time. As far as I know the earliest UFO set to be made available in the States was the 2001 Animal Crossing set by San-ei, but I believe Nintendo themselves distributed them to stores so they weren't available to order through a catalog or anything.
Without proof of this order sheet your uncle used I can't quite believe the story since a lot of it just doesn't make sense from what I know about UFO plushes, and whether or not it was a coincidence- stories about people's uncles tend to end up as fake most of the time.