Christine Chubbuck Tape

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Christine Chubbuck Tape Feb 15, 2021 22:52:54 GMT shlomo200 and surrealkangaroo like this

Post by alamode on Feb 15, 2021 22:52:54 GMT

Huh, pretty interesting. The audio matches the transcript on archive.org/details/sixty90_protonmail_CC/page/n17/mode/2up (page 18) pretty closely minus a few differences. The police report redacts a few names and locations and she clearly says "nabbed by Sarasota Sheriff's deputies" while the transcript says "apprehended." Christine in the audio also has somewhat of a Southern accent to her voice while the footage of her talking in Kate Plays Christine she has more of a Midwestern affect to her voice.
What makes me skeptical is that the audio follows the transcript to the T and it's not even the full broadcast. We also know that Chubbuck covered a few national news stories before jumping into local Sarasota crime stories before ending her life and it would make it more believable if the audio included those as well.
It's still very likely someone just hired an actress to perform the transcript like a newscaster.

Last Edit: Feb 15, 2021 23:00:26 GMT by alamode

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Christine Chubbuck Tape Feb 15, 2021 23:47:29 GMT via mobile

Post by shlomo200 on Feb 15, 2021 23:47:29 GMT

Feb 15, 2021 22:52:54 GMT alamode said:

Huh, pretty interesting. The audio matches the transcript on archive.org/details/sixty90_protonmail_CC/page/n17/mode/2up (page 18) pretty closely minus a few differences. The police report redacts a few names and locations and she clearly says "nabbed by Sarasota Sheriff's deputies" while the transcript says "apprehended." Christine in the audio also has somewhat of a Southern accent to her voice while the footage of her talking in Kate Plays Christine she has more of a Midwestern affect to her voice.
What makes me skeptical is that the audio follows the transcript to the T and it's not even the full broadcast. We also know that Chubbuck covered a few national news stories before jumping into local Sarasota crime stories before ending her life and it would make it more believable if the audio included those as well.
It's still very likely someone just hired an actress to perform the transcript like a newscaster.

They wouldn't even have to hire anyone, they could do it themselves.
Voice distortion is a dime a dozen and the idea that someone would come to this pondunk neck of the woods to drop something this infamous is unbelievable. Literally. I do not believe it.

- doesn't match the transcript
- no evidence that it is real or backstory
- posted exclusively here for some fucking reason.
- op refuses to answer any questions
it's just too sketchy

surrealkangaroo Lost Media Enthusiast Posts: 756	Christine Chubbuck Tape Feb 16, 2021 0:05:59 GMT shlomo200 likes this Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by surrealkangaroo on Feb 16, 2021 0:05:59 GMT I’ll gladly admit I’m wrong, but I think it’s a troll with too much free time. I will give them points for the effort.

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Christine Chubbuck Tape Feb 16, 2021 0:57:08 GMT via mobile

Post by alamode on Feb 16, 2021 0:57:08 GMT

The only way I could see the audio being the real deal is the police recording her suicide off of the studio master reel for transcription purposes (pressing the record button mid-sentence for some reason), the police archiving that recording all these decades, and anon1974 somehow recovering it.

Last Edit: Feb 16, 2021 0:58:13 GMT by alamode

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Christine Chubbuck Tape Feb 18, 2021 13:45:56 GMT

Post by LostMediaNick on Feb 18, 2021 13:45:56 GMT

It's been a while since I've been on this forum. I'd like to say that it's real myself. But I'm on the fence. I had this to say last night, but never posted it here.

This is lost for a reason. Whether or not the full clip ends up onto the internet at some point is up to the poster. I will not beg them to release it, and I will not ask them not to. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. The repercussions are for Molly Nelson and/or Greg Chubbuck to decide.

I also had a couple of questions on the legitimacy of the audio.

Who provided the audio to the user in the first place?

Why did they decide to do it now?

Should it even be fully released to the public?

And will it even make it onto YouTube for more than a day or three before someone who knew Christine (or even the law firm) notices?

Why fake this?

Why fake it now, and not when she was a big topic in 2016-17?

Who was involved?

And should those involved have actions taken against them?

I'm starting to rather the footage never be released to the public. But it should at least be archived.

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Christine Chubbuck Tape Feb 18, 2021 17:26:15 GMT theCarbonFreeze, nostalgiaguy, and 2 more like this

Post by badcafe on Feb 18, 2021 17:26:15 GMT

The fact that so many people want this to be uncovered really casts the Lost Media community in a negative light. I'm about the last person to be choosy about what should and shouldn't be preserved, but with real-life incidents like this there's a clear ethical line that's crossed.

Have some respect for this poor woman and her loved ones.

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Christine Chubbuck Tape Feb 18, 2021 18:18:06 GMT via mobile blutsauger, killabruhmoment, and 1 more like this

Post by shlomo200 on Feb 18, 2021 18:18:06 GMT

Feb 18, 2021 17:26:15 GMT badcafe said:

The fact that so many people want this to be uncovered really casts the Lost Media community in a negative light. I'm about the last person to be choosy about what should and shouldn't be preserved, but with real-life incidents like this there's a clear ethical line that's crossed.

Have some respect for this poor woman and her loved ones.

I disagree.
It is documenting reality. If this was a private tape then maybe I'd agree, but this isn't private at all. She wanted the world to see her suicide that is why she did it on air.
It's morbid but we aren't bad people for wanting to rediscover her suicide footage that she went to great lengths to show people.

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Christine Chubbuck Tape Feb 18, 2021 18:40:17 GMT

Post by LostMediaNick on Feb 18, 2021 18:40:17 GMT

Feb 18, 2021 18:18:06 GMT shlomo200 said:

Feb 18, 2021 17:26:15 GMT badcafe said:

The fact that so many people want this to be uncovered really casts the Lost Media community in a negative light. I'm about the last person to be choosy about what should and shouldn't be preserved, but with real-life incidents like this there's a clear ethical line that's crossed.

Have some respect for this poor woman and her loved ones.

I disagree.
It is documenting reality. If this was a private tape then maybe I'd agree, but this isn't private at all. She wanted the world to see her suicide that is why she did it on air.
It's morbid but we aren't bad people for wanting to rediscover her suicide footage that she went to great lengths to show people.

You have a point, yeah. But wasn't that kind of supposed to be a "fuck you" to gore hounds and the station at the time? Like "You want blood and guts, I'll show you blood and guts!" She gave the public the very thing she's disgusted by.

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Christine Chubbuck Tape Mar 6, 2021 14:57:03 GMT likechance and garudine like this

Post by scifirenegade on Mar 6, 2021 14:57:03 GMT

She was making a statement. While she wanted people to see her die, she was also very critical about the gruesome news that plagued the channel (and heck, they still plague the news today). That's one of the reasons she grew depressed (and the the rest is history).

I still think we should leave the search for her death footage, and focus on other footage of her, doing what she enjoyed (until it went to poo).

Just vibin' here.
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Christine Chubbuck Tape Mar 12, 2021 14:50:36 GMT shlomo200, LostMediaNick, and 1 more like this

Post by robbiel241 on Mar 12, 2021 14:50:36 GMT

I have a couple of thoughts about this after listening to it several times:

1. This has to be an audio-only recording, very likely someone just pointing a microphone at a TV either playing an off-air recording or the actual live newscast. Without any sort of video to go along with this (say, a video from a camera pointed at the same TV) I have to doubt its authenticity. Someone could have very easily replicated this.

2. @ 1:12, that doesn't sound like film jamming. That sounds like a tape being spun up and down. And it's highly unlikely that a report in 1974 would have been recorded on film and then telecinied live during the newscast. Film is expensive and bulky. Most likely it was recorded on U-Matic tape and somehow it got jammed or the playback unit failed in some way.

3. If this is from a compact cassette, it likely would have come from a stereo cassette recorder. This video was uploaded with a mono audio track.

LostMediaNick Lost Media Beginner Posts: 9	Christine Chubbuck Tape Mar 16, 2021 16:11:37 GMT via mobile shlomo200 likes this Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by LostMediaNick on Mar 16, 2021 16:11:37 GMT Looks like a lot of the people on findadeath would agree that this audio is fake.
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shlomo200 Lost Media Fan The first rule of gun safety, is to have fun! Posts: 227	Christine Chubbuck Tape Mar 16, 2021 19:12:57 GMT via mobile surrealkangaroo likes this Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by shlomo200 on Mar 16, 2021 19:12:57 GMT So what's the verdict? Fake? Real? I vote fake, but a high effort fake.

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Christine Chubbuck Tape Mar 17, 2021 17:56:47 GMT

Post by henrycolp on Mar 17, 2021 17:56:47 GMT

I'm new here but I've been a little obsessed with Christine Chubbuck since I saw the movie Christine some years ago. Also sorry if my english is not perfect, English is my second language.

I think that the audio could be real. The audio matches the police report, my theory is that the original source is a magnetic tape recording (maybe cassette) that the police did of the death footage, that same recording was then used for the police report. Probably the tape then stayed on the police station for years and someone who knew about Christine took it and then sold it to some collector.

The thing is that the voice matches the one in the Suncoast Digest clip. Listen how they both pronounce hospital. If it's a fake is a professional fake, they had to use a profesional voice actress that studied that Suncoast Digest clip. The audio not only matches the police report, but also matches the incidents from the day before that are redacted from the same report. That's a lot of research, money and time I guess.

I'm leaning more that it's real. It could be fake, but it's really a high effort, the guy did a lot of research.

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Christine Chubbuck Tape Mar 17, 2021 18:12:45 GMT virtuaboi and henrycolp like this

Post by emptyeyesemptymind on Mar 17, 2021 18:12:45 GMT

Having spoken with anon1974 numerous times, here are my two cents: I think this is real; I think they received this from a collector who in turn my have received it from someone else. If I remember correctly, the sound we hear while the tape jamming is actually the sound of whoever recorded the tape fast-forwarding through the mistake (as one would during a tech issue on a show they were watching back) as opposed to the literal sound of the tape jamming. Also, through talking with anon1974, I have no reason to see what they have to gain from perpetrating such a hoax. To echo others, if this is a fake it is one hell of a fake.

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Christine Chubbuck Tape Mar 19, 2021 15:30:16 GMT

Post by robbiel241 on Mar 19, 2021 15:30:16 GMT

Mar 17, 2021 17:56:47 GMT henrycolp said:

I'm new here but I've been a little obsessed with Christine Chubbuck since I saw the movie Christine some years ago. Also sorry if my english is not perfect, English is my second language.

I think that the audio could be real. The audio matches the police report, my theory is that the original source is a magnetic tape recording (maybe cassette) that the police did of the death footage, that same recording was then used for the police report. Probably the tape then stayed on the police station for years and someone who knew about Christine took it and then sold it to some collector.

The thing is that the voice matches the one in the Suncoast Digest clip. Listen how they both pronounce hospital. If it's a fake is a professional fake, they had to use a profesional voice actress that studied that Suncoast Digest clip. The audio not only matches the police report, but also matches the incidents from the day before that are redacted from the same report. That's a lot of research, money and time I guess.

I'm leaning more that it's real. It could be fake, but it's really a high effort, the guy did a lot of research.

If this is the case, why wasn't the recording made by directly capturing the audio from the video tape? Then you don't have to deal with background noise.

I have a feeling that we may see more fake Christine videos popping up as deepfake AI takes off. The only way to 100% verify authenticity is if

(1) the uploaded video is a direct upload of a source, not some alleged copy of a copy of a copy. Anyone can make that claim.

(2) said source is a C or U-Matic tape that recorded the broadcast in-studio

(3) the timecode embedded in the vertical blanking interval of the tape is in line with the timecode from another point during the broadcast day.

In other words, if the Christine tape begins at 08:25:00:01, and another tape from, let's say, the noon newscast begins at 10:25:00:01, it's likely that both tapes came from the same location. Also, SMPTE timecode usually didn't transfer over to consumer-grade VCRs (and possibly not even TXed OTA), so if someone comes forward with a tape and says "this is the real deal", have them play it in a broadcast-grade VCR instead and see if the readout on the front displays timecode. If it does, dig further into it. If not, it's a fake.

And if its a Beta or VHS tape, I would also consider it fake, as Beta launched in '75 and VHS in '77. You're options for recordable home video media in the US in '74 were limited to U-Matic or CV-2000.

Post by alamode on Feb 15, 2021 22:52:54 GMT

Post by shlomo200 on Feb 15, 2021 23:47:29 GMT

Post by surrealkangaroo on Feb 16, 2021 0:05:59 GMT

Post by alamode on Feb 16, 2021 0:57:08 GMT

Post by LostMediaNick on Feb 18, 2021 13:45:56 GMT

Post by badcafe on Feb 18, 2021 17:26:15 GMT

Post by shlomo200 on Feb 18, 2021 18:18:06 GMT

Post by LostMediaNick on Feb 18, 2021 18:40:17 GMT

Post by scifirenegade on Mar 6, 2021 14:57:03 GMT

Post by robbiel241 on Mar 12, 2021 14:50:36 GMT

Post by LostMediaNick on Mar 16, 2021 16:11:37 GMT

Post by shlomo200 on Mar 16, 2021 19:12:57 GMT

Post by henrycolp on Mar 17, 2021 17:56:47 GMT

Post by emptyeyesemptymind on Mar 17, 2021 18:12:45 GMT

Post by robbiel241 on Mar 19, 2021 15:30:16 GMT

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