I don't know what you guys think, but I'm pretty sure this tape will just circulate in a small group of people until someone destroys it. There's no reason someone would want to make its contents available, considering the graphic and suicidal nature. The only way it would ever get out is theft.
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If Mollie Nelson truly never wanted to release the tape, she wouldn't have admitted to having it.. when you consider that she's well aware of its value.
I'm of the mind that there would be nothing wrong morally for Mollie to release this tape as it is VERY clear that Christine Chubbuck had every intention of the public seeing her suicide.. she wanted to make sure the cameras were recording that day.
My thoughts exactly.
When the immediate family passes she's either going to sell it to someone, the Newsueum or The Columbia School of Journalism or something...it will end up getting out there one day. I'm almost 100 percent sure of it.
I don't know what you guys think, but I'm pretty sure this tape will just circulate in a small group of people until someone destroys it. There's no reason someone would want to make its contents available, considering the graphic and suicidal nature. The only way it would ever get out is theft.
Oh, the people on the Lost Media Wiki would definitely want to see it released and the suicidal nature makes it even more sought after.
Oh, the people on the Lost Media Wiki would definitely want to see it released and the suicidal nature makes it even more sought after.
Yeah, we got articles on things like Bin Laden's murder pictures and even photocopied tits, so it's not a surprise.
I understand why the event is historically relevant and why Christine would want to "spread the message" to as much people as possible (we get lots of daily "blood and guts journalism" here in Brazil), but honestly, if I were the owner of the TV station, I would've destroyed the material as soon as the local authorities gave me their ok. It's just disturbing, no one would've watched it if they knew what would happen.
When did the walking apes decide that nuclear war Was the only solution for them keeping the score? Just wake up Can’t you wake up?
I confirmed this with Mollie Nelson back in early February, but kept it quiet because I assumed she wouldn't want people badgering her for the tape. Now it seems she has brought that on herself.
I don't know what game she's playing, or what intent she has, but unless she's just making very unwise decisions then it seems like her ultimate intent is to somehow profit off of her owning the videotape. If her only impetus is recognizing the historical importance of the tape (whether or not it can be argued that it is worthwhile somehow for people to actually see the footage) - then she could have just donated the Quad tape to the Paley Center, or some other reputable and trusted institution, and let them deal with it. Then if anyone from then on contacted her about it she could just say - I donated it to the Paley Center - talk to them. Soon after she wouldn't be bothered by anyone any more.
But instead, she goes on record admitting that the tape did exist and that she has it (which again she could have easily denied outright) but then makes the curious admission that the tape is "in the hands of her lawyers". For what purpose? Why wouldn't she just put it in a bank safety deposit box or some other secure off-site location and tell everyone about that if she was worried about keeping it in the house now that she told everyone she had it.
Are the lawyers investigating what copyright issues may be involved in terms of her selling or licensing the footage? Or if the television station itself could still claim to own the rights to it?
Whatever the reason, I find it interesting that she claims to have held on to the tape "to honor her husband's wishes", however she seems to have forgotten that evidently her husband's wishes also included keeping the existence of such a tape secret, especially while there are immediate members of Christine's family (such as her brother Greg Chubbuck) who are still alive and who would be - and likely will be - very devastated to learn that the tape does in fact exist.. From reading former interviews with Greg Chubbuck, he has said he did not believe such a tape existed and that if it did it was likely destroyed by the police investigating the suicide, as that was the wish of the family.
Robert Nelson kept the existence of the tape a secret for decades and decades, up until his death. Then Mollie gets a hold of the tape and confirms its existence the first chance she gets apparently.
If I were the family of Christine Chubbuck, I would be contacting Mollie Nelson and shaming her into destroying that tape before it is transferred and copied. If it's not then Greg Chubbuck and the rest of her surviving family will have to live out their last years knowing that since the tape exists it WILL eventually resurface and that likely millions of people will eventually get to see it, and that this will become Christine's final legacy - a crass addition to just another clip in a "Faces of Death" type compilation; the cold, unflinching eye of the television camera capturing her sad demise. From what Greg Chubbuck has said in the past, this is the exact opposite of what he wanted.
However, speaking as an archivist and someone who understands the incredible rarity of videotape recordings of local television from as early as 1974, and their need to be preserved for history, I would immediately donate the videotape to the Paley Center or other reputable institution before I even took that phone call or read that e-mail from Greg Chubbuck, so you can at least claim that it is out of your hands now.
Or, if you don't find it morally objectionable to lie for someone else's benefit, then just publicly state that you had the tape destroyed and make sure Christine's family knows this. Then, wait until Greg Chubbuck and any other immediate family pass away, and only then donate it to the Paley Center, so that Greg and anyone else who knew and loved Christine the most will not have to die knowing that her final, tragic cry for help will live on forever through digital media transfers.
Either way, interesting moral and ethical dilemma you got yourself in to here, Ms. Nelson...I do not envy you. At the very least, do yourself and your karma a favor and don't sell the tape or a copy of the tape or license the footage to a documentary for cash.
Rick Klein President / Chief Curator The Museum of Classic Chicago Television
Oh, the people on the Lost Media Wiki would definitely want to see it released and the suicidal nature makes it even more sought after.
Yeah, we got articles on things like Bin Laden's murder pictures and even photocopied tits, so it's not a surprise.
I understand why the event is historically relevant and why Christine would want to "spread the message" to as much people as possible (we get lots of daily "blood and guts journalism" here in Brazil), but honestly, if I were the owner of the TV station, I would've destroyed the material as soon as the local authorities gave me their ok. It's just disturbing, no one would've watched it if they knew what would happen.
No one would've watched it? We're discussing this event 42 years after it happened! There are two movies coming out about Christine Chubbuck. People are very interested in Christine's life and how she chose to end it.
No one would've watched it? We're discussing this event 42 years after it happened! There are two movies coming out about Christine Chubbuck. People are very interested in Christine's life and how she chose to end it.
Do you really think people would be like "Hey, that Christine gal from the news is tired of talking about blood and is going to kill herself on live TV! Let's watch it!"? People may be interested now, but I'm sure some would simply skip it if they knew what was going to happen back in 1974.
No one would've watched it? We're discussing this event 42 years after it happened! There are two movies coming out about Christine Chubbuck. People are very interested in Christine's life and how she chose to end it.
Do you really think people would be like "Hey, that Christine gal from the news is tired of talking about blood and is going to kill herself on live TV! Let's watch it!"? People may be interested now, but I'm sure some would simply skip it if they knew what was going to happen back in 1974.
It was a local public affairs show that aired on a Monday morning on a small station in a small city, very few people would've been watching anyway but Christine did this so as many people as possible would see her anguish. She made her own death an act of journalism and that's why we're still talking about her so many years later.
The spontaneous nature of her on-air suicide is what makes it compelling. Of course the station didn't know, they wouldn't have allowed that on the air. Obviously disturbing, but so are many other great acts of journalism.
I was wondering when you'd show up here. Have we asked any of the two schools if they have it yet? I don't know how much we've searched for this. If we can find out which school has it, we could get someone in the area to 'borrow' the tape for a couple of hours.
Wait, what? A school may have this?
And I have a feeling it would be worth more than $1,000...especially with the two films coming out later this year.
What I was saying is that I'd give just about everything I have for the tape. (in this case all I literally have is $1000. I know it's not even anywhere close to what it's worth but it's honestly worth everything in my opinion.
If Mollie Nelson truly never wanted to release the tape, she wouldn't have admitted to having it.. when you consider that she's well aware of its value.
I'm of the mind that there would be nothing wrong morally for Mollie to release this tape as it is VERY clear that Christine Chubbuck had every intention of the public seeing her suicide.. she wanted to make sure the cameras were recording that day.
that's what i was thinking, admitting to having it will just cause another uproar. If you didn't want it released you probably would keep your mouth shut and let people come to the conclusion that it's 100% gone forever, it would certainly end most people looking for it
To me, it's not that it's going to be released that bothers me, it's the fact that it's likely going to be sold and she's going to profit off of a video of someone's death. If she wanted to release it, for free, after the family's gone. It's not hurting any one then, so I don't have much of an issue with that, but the idea of profiting off of something like this, just makes me queasy.
I know some may say well the two movies being released this year are profiting off and/or exploiting Christine Chubbuck's death, but the documentary really isn't necessarily, from all I've read, completely about Chubbuck. It has several other layers to the whole thing with an actress preparing for the role of Christine Chubbuck as a back drop.
Christine, well it is a fictionalized version of true events, and it does feature a re-enactment of the suicide itself, but the movie at its heart from all I've gathered is showing the manifestation of mental illness and attempting to elicit compassion from the viewer for someone who does something like this.
Yet, the footage of this event wouldn't show any sides of Chubbuck other than the event that made her infamous. I'm not saying that I wouldn't want to see it, I do, but if seeing it means that someone actually profited/is profiting from the sale of the video of her death...I would feel very morally conflicted about the whole thing.
Maybe I'm over thinking it, I don't know. Just my two cents. Maybe Mollie is telling the truth when she says that it will never been seen publicly but why would you even make a statement about it confirming its existence? It all just seems shady.
Believe me, I would've stolen the tape. Not because it has monetary value, no no no, I would throw it into the Hudson River so I don't have to feel freaked out and Christine can finally rest easy with the man upstairs.