Basically there are earlier cuts that included way more deleted scenes (as implied by early trailers, in which half the scenes don’t even appear in the final film) than what was included as bonus features, such as additional pantsing gags (only the first scene has been released), John Candy having a much bigger role in the film, an unused reshoot that added a manager, Uncle Frank telling Kevin to beat it because the movie they’re watching is rated R, etc.
If you read the three available script drafts, there’s actually more footage to the released deleted scenes than what’s available on the bonus features (for example, the deleted scene where Harry and Marv talk about how Christmas has changed is missing an exterior shot at the very start), and there are also many brief dialogue extensions where Marv claims he “Hasn’t had a nice Christmas since 1962.”
Unless the released deleted scenes come from a preserved film element of the original workprints/cuts (I’m assuming they were preserved in isolation), these other deleted scenes likely only survive on some damaged VHS tape. Don’t get me started on the sequel.
Post by nostalgist32x on Jul 18, 2025 20:38:37 GMT
Honestly, I've been thinking this should be a thing for awhile. It'd be a great way to separate the pieces that can be searched for and the ones that can't instead of lumping them all together.
Post by forlornjackalope on Jul 19, 2025 20:09:25 GMT
I like this idea and think that it would also be a pretty good fit for a lot of the historic media we have. If we end up having a case like the works of Euripides where stuff resurfaces, their status can be changed accordingly. But sometimes, things are just truly lost for good and beyond recoverable.
I've got another status idea: "Unreleased". "Unproduced" is a status on the wiki, why not this? I feel like some of the articles about completely no-clips-surfaced unreleased media should not be "Lost" but "Unreleased" instead because they are not actually Lost (as in where the media is now is unknown) but are known to still exist, maybe in a vault or at the collection of some Reddit user. Idunno, just an idea.
I think maybe it would be a good idea to have like a two tier status system, though I might just be talking out my ass here. What I mean by a two tier system is every media is either fully lost, partially found, partially lost, and completely found, in that order. I think after that, there’s a second status something can have: Unreleased, Unproduced, Unrecoverable. Maybe have another tier that is something like “unavailable” for media that we know was produced and released, but can’t be found currently.
I think this way, you glean two pieces of information about a piece of media: how much of it is lost, and the manner in which it is lost. I think the combination of the two could be used to quickly calculate how “find-able” a piece of lost media is. A Partially Lost, unavailable piece of media? That means there’s just a little bit gone, out there somewhere. Completely lost, unrecoverable? Incredibly unfeasible search unless done by an actual professional preservationist. Mix and match as necessary.
This might be a little too overcomplicated but I think it would be a useful thing to have for an at a glance thing.
Could also apply for the roadshow cut of "The Blues Brothers".
Sam Kinison’s deleted role in Three Amigos
I am fairly certain that the Sam Kinison scene may not be lost forever. I think that the scene might be in some obscure archive somewhere. If it were lost forever, then it would have been long destroyed, which i don't think happened.
I am fairly certain that the Sam Kinison scene may not be lost forever. I think that the scene might be in some obscure archive somewhere. If it were lost forever, then it would have been long destroyed, which i don't think happened.
I mean it probably is, nothing has been found since that partially damaged Exhibitors Print in 2011 (a brief portion of the opening in Santa Poco is missing from the negative, probably too damaged to restore) and this film came out in 1986 so film preservation wasn’t quite a priority. Not to mention absolutely nothing from Sam Kinison’s scene (even production stills) have surfaced whatsoever, hence why I believe it and some other scenes (like another scene with Miss Rene and a couple others) are lost forever.
This might be a bit of a hijack, but I was thinking there should be a status along the lines of "Gatekept", but maybe not as snarky sounding. Maybe "Found and Withheld". It would be for media that we know exists, and we know someone has it, but they either can't or won't release it. An example would be Mortal Kombat Nitro, where there's a video of someone playing it on Youtube, so we know it exists and they have it, but they haven't dumped it.
This might be a bit of a hijack, but I was thinking there should be a status along the lines of "Gatekept", but maybe not as snarky sounding. Maybe "Found and Withheld". It would be for media that we know exists, and we know someone has it, but they either can't or won't release it. An example would be Mortal Kombat Nitro, where there's a video of someone playing it on Youtube, so we know it exists and they have it, but they haven't dumped it.
Yeah, I was thinking about this when I talked about my two tier idea above. I’d think that might fall under the “Unavailable” definition I’d come up with, and maybe combine it not just with stuff that’s being hoarded by individuals but also things we know are in company vaults somewhere, so as to not come off like we’re attacking collectors. Withheld is a good term, imo. It comes off neutral enough and I think could cover most situations in which films are found but being kept away, both by corporations and private individuals.
This might be a bit of a hijack, but I was thinking there should be a status along the lines of "Gatekept", but maybe not as snarky sounding. Maybe "Found and Withheld". It would be for media that we know exists, and we know someone has it, but they either can't or won't release it. An example would be Mortal Kombat Nitro, where there's a video of someone playing it on Youtube, so we know it exists and they have it, but they haven't dumped it.
Not sure, something can exist and still be “lost” in the sense that none of it (or a very limited amount) is available to the Public.
