He says you can refund manually, he sent emails to people who ordered it.
That’s Good, But I’m Still Not happy with the fact everyone was told last minute. Did it have to do with Robert Swarthe By any Chance or Do you not know? (Because you Seem to Supposedly Know Things we don’t about the situation)
I only know stuff about the film and what Steve is doing w/ the set.
The email just rolled out today so I don't know much, I have emailed Steve before so I can just try to ask him what the several factors are
I only know stuff about the film and what Steve is doing w/ the set.
The email just rolled out today so I don't know much, I have emailed Steve before so I can just try to ask him what the several factors are
Okay. I was Wondering if you knew the reason why because to me it looked like you where hinting at that you knew why.
If I had my guess, it's the rippers, he disliked them more after the Buster Bear incident, which is time I tell what it was
Buster Bear was a film that was missing ever since it's premiere in 1930, it did horribly because the cartoons was.. not funny plus wasn't good.
Steve found the Original Camera and Track Negative (which, a OCN and a OTN is the ORIGINAL and first copy of the film made, day it was recorded and shot, original negatives are also usually used to print more copies.)
He scanned it and was planning to release it for a special set (which I own phsyically, can send screenshots for proof if you need)
A month before release, someone named Serenio contacted a worker at Thunderbean who is currently battling cancer, by faking breast cancer and using it as a manipulation tactic to get the raw scan of Buster Bear.
Unfortunately it worked and was leaked early, luckily Serenio got slack for it and left the internet, the special set was released around June pretty sure.
To the film community, Thunderbean customers and fans of animation and lost media:
Over the past 20 years, Thunderbean has been releasing Blu-rays and DVDs of classic animation, with particular attention to lost or extremely rare films. It’s been both a professional and personal joy for me to be able to have a part in helping animation history be visible and films available in good quality. The support of the animation fan community has kept this tiny company alive over these years. We’re very grateful for all the support, both financially and with all the great feedback we’ve had on what we do.
Thunderbean releases “Official” sets of restored films and cartoons, and “Special sets”. The special sets are limited releases for the fan base that often consist of raw scans from rare film prints, sometimes cleaned up, often not. The special sets are always extremely limited runs- and on occasion we’ll offer the older ones again.
In these two decades, we’ve been fortunate to scan, restore and release many ‘holy grails’ that were long-sought after; some were genuinely lost, others just not accessible for viewing. In this time, there has never been a film we’ve managed to gain access to that we haven’t eventually released. That, however, has now changed.
For the special set “Public Domain Mouse Adventures”, we planned to release “Uncle Walt” as part of the set. Because of several factors related to the film, we have made the decision to not release “Uncle Walt” as part of this set. We’ll still be releasing the set without this one short film.
We understand the disappointment of the film and animation fan base, especially the lost media wiki people. It’s one film among many that may or may not be unearthed to the larger public at some point.
Since we understand that many people have purchased this set just for that one film, we’re offering refunds for the set. We’ll be sending an email shortly to everyone that purchased this set with a form to request a refund if you would like one.
We’ll continue our mission moving forward, restoring films for Blu-ray and streaming. We believe access is everything— it allows old films to stay alive. We know the community really wanted to see this film, but hope springs eternal.
Sincerely,
Steve Stanchfield Thunderbean
The reason this pisses me off is because the Lost Media community is getting shit for this. My friends (Including LSSQ) are getting put on blast because of this decision. When they do not deserve it AT ALL. Not only that, but the fact they won't even tell up the reason why rubs me the complete wrong way. The community deserves a better answer then "Because of several factors related to the film." What exactly happened here? Also, I find it convenient that this announcement was made 2 days before the Blu-ray's were set to ship. Meaning people who bought it only have 2 days to file a refund. (if they even see it first)
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The reason this pisses me off is because the Lost Media community is getting shit for this. My friends (Including LSSQ) are getting put on blast because of this decision. When they do not deserve it AT ALL. Not only that, but the fact they won't even tell up the reason why rubs me the complete wrong way. The community deserves a better answer then "Because of several factors related to the film." What exactly happened here?
Exactly, They don’t deserve to be put on Blast Because of a Decision Thunderbean Made. It also Agree with the Fact that yes it dose rub me and everyone else here probably the wrong way too. Honestly it makes me wonder what is going on, is it something the community did, or dose it have to do with the Creator of the short?
I mean again the films contents are fucked so that's my other guess why it was thrown
That’s Good, But I’m Still Not happy with the fact everyone was told last minute. Did it have to do with Robert Swarthe By any Chance or Do you not know? (Because you Seem to Supposedly Know Things we don’t about the situation)
I only know stuff about the film and what Steve is doing w/ the set.
The email just rolled out today so I don't know much, I have emailed Steve before so I can just try to ask him what the several factors are
Steve could’ve EASILY told us a head of time that uncle Walt wasn’t gonna be included on the dvd 📀 Like last month- He posted in his blog that he was putting the last touches on some DVDs (at that time I actually emailed a Thunder bean employee and they told me they were putting the “finishing touches on public domain mouse adventures) They HAD to have known uncle Walt wasn’t gonna be on there. There’s no excuse- Steve could’ve told us a head of time.
The reason this pisses me off is because the Lost Media community is getting shit for this. My friends (Including LSSQ) are getting put on blast because of this decision. When they do not deserve it AT ALL. Not only that, but the fact they won't even tell up the reason why rubs me the complete wrong way. The community deserves a better answer then "Because of several factors related to the film." What exactly happened here?
Exactly, They don’t deserve to be put on Blast Because of a Decision Thunderbean Made. It also Agree with the Fact that yes it dose rub me and everyone else here probably the wrong way too. Honestly it makes me wonder what is going on, is it something the community did, or dose it have to do with the Creator of the short?
My thoughts exactly!!!! Why the hell didn’t Steve tell us ahead of time? I even chatted with an employee last month and he told me they had to rescan a film and then it’d be complete They couldn’t EASILY told us uncle Walt wasn’t gonna be on there
That’s my theory too! Robert Swarthe (the creator of Uncle Walt) probably messaged Steve and told him not to release it
But also- It ticks me off they tell us the LAST MINUTE that it won’t be released
Why couldn’t they tell us earlier???
Steve even made a post on his blog a month ago saying that he had to rescan a film and make some changes to it (I’m 100% positive it was uncle Walt) They could’ve told us then that it wasn’t gonna be released Instead of telling us the last minute
Yeah, that ticks me Off. Thunderbean Is Gonna Loose A Lot of Trust, Customers and Money For Pulling this ( I Hope Thunderbean Refunds the Entire Lost media Community and Then Donates all the Money made from sales to the Wiki)
I’ll tell ya- Thunder Bean kinda screwed themselves over (especially with telling us the LAST MINUTE that uncle Walt wasn’t gonna be on there) Their Facebook, Instagram, and their Thunder Bean website is gonna get SOOOOOO much hate messages now from angry people 😕
Also that individual that bought the Uncle Walt film 🎞️ reel from eBay; MAYBE there’s a possibility he’ll restore the film and leak it somewhere? 😬 Cuz why would he post the screenshots after purchasing the film?
If he was gonna do this in secret, he wouldn’t have posted the screenshots
I’ll tell ya- Thunder Bean kinda screwed themselves over (especially with telling us the LAST MINUTE that uncle Walt wasn’t gonna be on there) Their Facebook, Instagram, and their Thunder Bean website is gonna get SOOOOOO much hate messages now from angry people 😕
Yeah they messed up big time. Now there gonna face the consequences.
Yeah like Yoshi said, the biggest issue in all of this is the fact that we are somehow to blame for Thunderbean pulling it. We never advocated to not support the release, we never claimed that we were only gonna get one copy, and I refuse to believe Steve was so blind to the idea that anyone wanted to rip it, that he pulled it because of that. Especially when he POSTED in this thread. I think people are just angry at Thunderbean and want somewhere to throw their anger at, with us being the biggest target.
I personally don't have any anger towards Steve's decision, despite being disappointed by it. Though I certainly understand why people would, and you could make a good argument for how it was poor planning that he changed it two days before shipping, after waiting this long for it, after he just released new screenshots of the restoration. I have no idea how their general fanbase is going to react that aren't heavily invested into social media or communities. But that leads me into a bigger point about all of this and why I think the hate is even less justified.
I don't want to speculate on baseless theories, but I would put some belief into the idea that since the topic became SO big, perhaps Robert Swarthe did finally hear about it and told them not to release it. We don't know where the Thunderbean copy came from so it might not have been from Robert himself, and surely Steve did not come to realize in ONLY the past three weeks that there was interest in ripping it. I also don't know Thunderbean's profit margins, though I have heard they're lucky to break even, but I'm going to assume they're losing way more money on order cancelations compared to what they would have made if nothing changed, so I'm sure they wouldn't have wanted to do that unless they had to- which in my opinion would not be the result of a couple random internet people saying they're going to rip it when they have 1,000 preorders or whatever the number is. This was clearly their most popular release.
Also I don't think it's fair to compare this situation to the one with Buster Bear, even though that one was indeed awful from what I read. But with Uncle Walt, nobody is attempting to fool Steve, lie, or mislead in order to get the copy of the film. We were all supporting its release and no matter if a rip showed up or not, we promoted it so people could grab their own copy. And like I said many times before, if we didn't rip it, SOMEONE of those hundreds or thousands of people were going to. There wasn't some pact between everyone that preordered to never release. And again, there is no way Steve didn't realize that after 8 months and KNOWINGLY calling it lost media.
Well there's my book on the matter, tldr version-
Steve is well aware this is lost media and has had it up on his site for 8 MONTHS. Changing release plans two days before it ships, after showing off new screenshots of his restoration as recently as three weeks ago, says something else happened preventing it from coming out.
But also- It ticks me off they tell us the LAST MINUTE that it won’t be released
Why couldn’t they tell us earlier???
Wow! That's a lot of speculation!
It's actually much simpler than that.
The decision was only made a few days ago, and was a hard decision to make. We were all set to release the set with it on there. I would have said something much earlier if there had been an earlier decision. We're losing everything we had invested in the film with the decision as well, so there is a financial loss. (adding: I *wish* we sold thousands of anything! There's around 240 orders- the most we've had for a special set (usually it's just 80 to 100 or so). We have no idea how many will be refunded yet, but the refund offer stands, and we'll be waiting a week now before shipping).
I really do enjoy releasing rare films- and it's great when something that people wanted to see is released. In most cases, that isn't so complicated, but with this particular film, it is. It was my decision, not made for me in any way, but it was the decision we needed to make. Wish I could say more to stop any speculation- this is literally the most I can say without without revealing the reasons. I know there is disappointment and anger because of this. I'm sorry for that. I can say the decision was not directly related to the Wiki community or anything posted here. It's also not related to anything involving the Disney company directly. (adding: I was not bribed by a film collector or collectors or any organization. There was no money involved in not releasing it- just a loss on our part). It will need to remain a mystery who purchased the film (it wasn't me), what other copies are out there (I owned a copy in the 80s) and if I knew who bought it on Ebay I wouldn't state it since it's private information.
Now-- please don't write and ask if I will just slip you a copy of it to you (I'm getting emails like that right now).
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But also- It ticks me off they tell us the LAST MINUTE that it won’t be released
Why couldn’t they tell us earlier???
Wow! That's a lot of speculation!
It's actually much simpler than that.
The decision was only made a few days ago, and was a hard decision to make. We were all set to release the set with it on there. I would have said something much earlier if there had been an earlier decision. We're losing everything we had invested in the film with the decision as well, so there is a financial loss. (adding: I *wish* we sold thousands of anything! There's around 240 orders- the most we've had for a special set (usually it's just 80 to 100 or so). We have no idea how many will be refunded yet, but the refund offer stands, and we'll be waiting a week now before shipping).
I really do enjoy releasing rare films- and it's great when something that people wanted to see is released. In most cases, that isn't so complicated, but with this particular film, it is. It was my decision, not made for me in any way, but it was the decision we needed to make. Wish I could say more to stop any speculation- this is literally the most I can say without without revealing the reasons. I know there is disappointment and anger because of this. I'm sorry for that. I can say the decision was not directly related to the Wiki community or anything posted here. It's also not related to anything involving the Disney company directly. It will need to remain a mystery who purchased the film (it wasn't me), what other copies are out there (I owned a copy in the 80s) and if I knew who bought it on Ebay I wouldn't state it since it's private information.
Now-- please don't write and ask if I will just slip you a copy of it to you (I'm getting emails like that right now).
Whatever the reason is you 100% have the right to do what you want with the short. It's unfortunate, but I understand and I hope that many more here can also understand as well. I genuinely apologize if people here in particular have been harassing you for the reasoning.