recently came across a digital book called "drawing for nothing". it's compiled of lost/obscure/cancelled media. currently 10 chapters are out, and there are plans to make a lot more of them.
If this turned into a volume series then I'd likely buy each one, I really like art books that delve into what a project initially looked like as well as having notes on initial outlines for the story.
If this turned into a volume series then I'd likely buy each one, I really like art books that delve into what a project initially looked like as well as having notes on initial outlines for the story.
same!! I'm so excited for this!! it looks like physical copies are a goal for the future but for now it's a free download that will be regularly updated.
Huh, boo never decided on an ending? I wonder where that info came from. I guess it’s not too surprising, since they did say it was hard to tell what the final film would look like.
recently came across a digital book called "drawing for nothing". it's compiled of lost/obscure/cancelled media. currently 10 chapters are out, and there are plans to make a lot more of them.
That would be me! I actually posted about the book when I was first working on it here, asking for those who'd like to help, however I didn't get anyone on board that way. Nonetheless, I'm glad you like the book so far. It's been a lot of fun and the future chapters will be a just as good as the current ones, maybe I should open an Q&A sometime when the book has been fully established...
A multitude of legal and moral reasons are standing in the way of having a physical release happening in the future, so right now that's not gonna happen. It's not entirely off the table but if it ever does happen it won't be for a very long time.
Last Edit: Dec 16, 2023 3:45:38 GMT by ziggycashmere
recently came across a digital book called "drawing for nothing". it's compiled of lost/obscure/cancelled media. currently 10 chapters are out, and there are plans to make a lot more of them.
That would be me! I actually posted about the book when I was first working on it here, asking for those who'd like to help, however I didn't get anyone on board that way. Nonetheless, I'm glad you like the book so far. It's been a lot of fun and the future chapters will be a just as good as the current ones, maybe I should open an Q&A sometime when the book has been fully established...
A multitude of legal and moral reasons are standing in the way of having a physical release happening in the future, so right now that's not gonna happen. It's not entirely off the table but if it ever does happen it won't be for a very long time.
I never knew they couldn’t decide on an ending for B.O.O though. I’m guessing that would mean that any existing copies would just end abruptly.
(If I’m honest, the decision is pretty simple to me: keep Jackson moss dead. It’s hard to accept, but I feel it would be a good lesson to teach that when someone dies, they’re just gone forever, or at least the person themself is.)
But that aside, I’d be down for you to start a Q&A thread, and if you don’t see me asking at least one (hundred) question(s), that’s how you will know if something’s wrong.
That would be me! I actually posted about the book when I was first working on it here, asking for those who'd like to help, however I didn't get anyone on board that way. Nonetheless, I'm glad you like the book so far. It's been a lot of fun and the future chapters will be a just as good as the current ones, maybe I should open an Q&A sometime when the book has been fully established...
A multitude of legal and moral reasons are standing in the way of having a physical release happening in the future, so right now that's not gonna happen. It's not entirely off the table but if it ever does happen it won't be for a very long time.
I never knew they couldn’t decide on an ending for B.O.O though. I’m guessing that would mean that any existing copies would just end abruptly.
(If I’m honest, the decision is pretty simple to me: keep Jackson moss dead. It’s hard to accept, but I feel it would be a good lesson to teach that when someone dies, they’re just gone forever, or at least the person themself is.)
But that aside, I’d be down for you to start a Q&A thread, and if you don’t see me asking at least one (hundred) question(s), that’s how you will know if something’s wrong.
I didn't start organizing sources until after these first 10 chapters were released, so I can't back up all of my info immediately for those, however I did find the source I read about the difficulties finding the ending. It's an article from last year, and I'm not entirely sure what the author's source on it is, but I thought it seemed legitimate enough to use. (With productions like these, sometimes it's best to just trust what you hear, I've even had experiences where people on the crew tell lies, so who's to say a fan isn't telling the truth?)
But yeah, after the next 5 chapters are out I'll open a Q&A somewhere and I'll be happy to answer any questions :), I'll see if the team can join me on that as well.
Post by awesomereesee on Dec 17, 2023 23:21:52 GMT
I have simple needs, when I see a book about unmade/screwed over animated films written by a user with a David Bowie reference in their name and a Daredevil Dan pfp I pay attention. (I especially feel sad over the loss of The Dreaming Machine).
I'm legit kind of interested in these kind of "art of" books, even if I'm not much of a fan of the movie it's for in question (for example, I'll admit that some of the scrapped ideas mentioned in the Artbook for Wish are WAY more interesting than the film we actually got (if you know what I'm talking about, you know)) (As someone who wants to make animated films in the future I kind of feeling like stealing them for my own films)
I geniunely would like to say I know all about all of the films in the book so far, but I admittedly haven't heard of Captain Fantastic and I feel so stupid because had it been made, even though in terms of animated films featuring soundtrack work by Elton John I'd probably still prefer The Lion King, it sounds exactly like my kind of "did I imagine this" animated film looking at the concept art and Yellow Submarine comparisons.
And I also learned some more of some other films I've assumed I knew all there was to know of them, for example, as I mentioned earlier Dreaming Machine is a personal favorite of mine when bringing up unmade films, namely because of Satoshi Kon's 4 movies are among my personal favorites and also have a personal in joke with myself of between it (which would have been the counterpart to Robots obviously) and Tokyo Godfathers (a bit of a stretch, but equivelant to the first Ice Age in the injoke), Satoshi was planning on making darker counterparts of every Blue Sky film, but wasn't exactly aware of the "organic life being extinct" setting.
Similarly, while Wreck It Ralph has always been one of my favorite Disney movies, and I was aware for a while in it's origins in "Joe Jump", I didn't know exactly how radically different the two were plotwise and I'm quite interested in some of the concepts, (even if I admit, as a screenwriter; Jared Stern can be pretty hit or miss or just average).
Also I do know quite a bit about Jack And Ben as a Laika fan, but from what I've read before, the plot was some vague "sibling tale with birds" but reading it, as someone who's autistic, I'm mildly interested in the mentioned plot point of Jack having to look after Ben because of him appearantly being mentally disabled, it probably wouldn't be up therewith say, Mary And Max, but it definetly would be better than Music (I could go on a rant on how Mary And Max succeeds where Music fails and Music particulary being one of my most hated films ever but I want to keep this long post about the contents of the book). I'd say I'd also probably prefer what Jack And Ben would've looked like under Barry Cook's direction generally also.
I also herd about the main outline of Huck's Landing thank's to Cartoon Brew, but I particulary didn't know it was supposed to tie in to a theme park and all the concept art.
I personally can't wait for the future additions of stuff like Larrikins, Freaky Flickers, My Peoples, Wild Life, The Shadow King (I really hope it gets back into development like Henry Selick implied it would after Wendell And Wild), and of course, the crown jewel of unmade/screwed over animated films; The Thief And The Cobbler)
There's a lot of additional stuff I would suggest, like more of Don Bluth's unmade work beyond Dragons' Lair (it could probably be a book of itself), and Hopper (intended to be the first feature length CGI anime; but was canned because of Happy Feet and Surf's Up, as well as the collapse of Japan's economy) (Also both Hopper and Jack and Ben had concept art by an artist named Barry E Jackson who also designed the poster for Escape From New York, he also posts a lot of concept art for unmade films on his Instagram and appearantly talks about them in his Zoom art class which I might join next year both to assist suggestions and for my new years resolution of being more confident in my artistic abilities (especially as I'm halfway finished with my last year of high school before I go to a transition school))
There's also a bunch of earlier versions of animated films I feel are more interesting than the finished projects, with the brief comments about Wish being the tip of the iceberg, for example as a starter of a well known case; American Dog, but there is a lot more, such as Dinosaur being originally convinced in 1986 by Phil Tippet and, I kid you not, Paul Verhoeven, as a darker and naturalistic film without dialogue, the original plan for the 2013 Walking With Dinosaurs movie to also not have dialogue until an executive at Fox felt kids wouldn't like it (seriously, one of my biggest regrets in life is that I not only saw it in theaters with my family and one of my grandmas when I was 7; but actually enjoying it), a considerably more Don Bluth-inspired Alpha And Omega, some early drafts of Escape From Planet Earth before Harvey Weinstein... you know what joke I'm making already, a more high fantasy version of Luck, The original horror plot for Cool World, the more adult oriented, darker and less Disney/Don Bluth knock off version of Quest For Camelot (and also probably Eric Idle and Don Rickles' unused ad libs for the movie), the original concepts for Chicken Litte, the Biggering song from The Lorax, an early plot outline for Norm Of The North that at the very least made more sense than the finished product, and probably a lot more that I can't remember.
Also, in terms of movies that were made but were heavily screwed over, I think The Adventures Of Mark Twain, Delgo, Astro Boy and Little Nemo can qualify.
Last Edit: Dec 18, 2023 0:55:22 GMT by awesomereesee
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I never knew they couldn’t decide on an ending for B.O.O though. I’m guessing that would mean that any existing copies would just end abruptly.
(If I’m honest, the decision is pretty simple to me: keep Jackson moss dead. It’s hard to accept, but I feel it would be a good lesson to teach that when someone dies, they’re just gone forever, or at least the person themself is.)
But that aside, I’d be down for you to start a Q&A thread, and if you don’t see me asking at least one (hundred) question(s), that’s how you will know if something’s wrong.
I didn't start organizing sources until after these first 10 chapters were released, so I can't back up all of my info immediately for those, however I did find the source I read about the difficulties finding the ending. It's an article from last year, and I'm not entirely sure what the author's source on it is, but I thought it seemed legitimate enough to use. (With productions like these, sometimes it's best to just trust what you hear, I've even had experiences where people on the crew tell lies, so who's to say a fan isn't telling the truth?)
But yeah, after the next 5 chapters are out I'll open a Q&A somewhere and I'll be happy to answer any questions , I'll see if the team can join me on that as well.
Yay.
By the way, I think one website (don’t remember the name) actually released an art book for B.O.O. Not sure if it’s still up, but last I checked, I think it costed 38 dollars.
Edit: I looked it up, and it is supposed to come out on the 27th this month. It actually costs 36 dollars. Here’s the image.
Last Edit: Dec 17, 2023 23:29:58 GMT by lostmedia1975
I didn't start organizing sources until after these first 10 chapters were released, so I can't back up all of my info immediately for those, however I did find the source I read about the difficulties finding the ending. It's an article from last year, and I'm not entirely sure what the author's source on it is, but I thought it seemed legitimate enough to use. (With productions like these, sometimes it's best to just trust what you hear, I've even had experiences where people on the crew tell lies, so who's to say a fan isn't telling the truth?)
But yeah, after the next 5 chapters are out I'll open a Q&A somewhere and I'll be happy to answer any questions , I'll see if the team can join me on that as well.
Yay.
By the way, I think one website (don’t remember the name) actually released an art book for B.O.O. Not sure if it’s still up, but last I checked, I think it costed 38 dollars.
Edit: I looked it up, and it is supposed to come out on the 27th this month. It actually costs 36 dollars. Here’s the image.
I've never seen this. This is so... strange. It's even listed on Amazon Japan and UK, but out of stock. What?? If it becomes available at Midtown Comics on the 27th like it says, I'll be the first buyer. Thanks for pointing this out!! This is... so strange.
I have simple needs, when I see a book about unmade/screwed over animated films written by a user with a David Bowie reference in their name and a Daredevil Dan pfp I pay attention. (I especially feel sad over the loss of The Dreaming Machine).
I'm legit kind of interested in these kind of "art of" books, even if I'm not much of a fan of the movie it's for in question (for example, I'll admit that some of the scrapped ideas mentioned in the Artbook for Wish are WAY more interesting than the film we actually got (if you know what I'm talking about, you know)) (As someone who wants to make animated films in the future I kind of feeling like stealing them for my own films)
I geniunely would like to say I know all about all of the films in the book so far, but I admittedly haven't heard of Captain Fantastic and I feel so stupid because had it been made, even though in terms of animated films featuring soundtrack work by Elton John I'd probably still prefer The Lion King, it sounds exactly like my kind of "did I imagine this" animated film looking at the concept art and Yellow Submarine comparisons.
And I also learned some more of some other films I've assumed I knew all there was to know of them, for example, as I mentioned earlier Dreaming Machine is a personal favorite of mine when bringing up unmade films, namely because of Satoshi Kon's 4 movies are among my personal favorites and also have a personal in joke with myself of between it (which would have been the counterpart to Robots obviously) and Tokyo Godfathers (a bit of a stretch, but equivelant to the first Ice Age in the injoke), Satoshi was planning on making darker counterparts of every Blue Sky film, but wasn't exactly aware of the "organic life being extinct" setting.
Similarly, while Wreck It Ralph has always been one of my favorite Disney movies, and I was aware for a while in it's origins in "Joe Jump", I didn't know exactly how radically different the two were plotwise and I'm quite interested in some of the concepts, (even if I admit, as a screenwriter; Jared Stern can be pretty hit or miss or just average).
Also I do know quite a bit about Jack And Ben as a Laika fan, but from what I've read before, the plot was some vague "sibling tale with birds" but reading it, as someone with autism, I'm mildly interested in the mentioned plot point of Jack having to look after Ben because of him appearantly being mentally disabled, it probably wouldn't be up therewith say, Mary And Max, but it definetly would be better than Music (I could go on a rant on how Mary And Max succeeds where Music fails and Music particulary being one of my most hated films ever but I want to keep this long post about the contents of the book). I'd say I'd also probably prefer what Jack And Ben would've looked like under Barry Cook's direction generally also.
I also herd about the main outline of Huck's Landing thank's to Cartoon Brew, but I particulary didn't know it was supposed to tie in to a theme park and all the concept art.
I personally can't wait for the future additions of stuff like Larrikins, Freaky Flickers, My Peoples, Wild Life, The Shadow King (I really hope it gets back into development like Henry Selick implied it would after Wendell And Wild), and of course, the crown jewel of unmade/screwed over animated films; The Thief And The Cobbler)
There's a lot of additional stuff I would suggest, like more of Don Bluth's unmade work beyond Dragons' Lair (it could probably be a book of itself), and Hopper (intended to be the first feature length CGI anime; but was canned because of Happy Feet and Surf's Up, as well as the collapse of Japan's economy) (Also both Hopper and Jack and Ben had concept art by an artist named Barry E Jackson who also designed the poster for Escape From New York, he also posts a lot of concept art for unmade films on his Instagram and appearantly talks about them in his Zoom art class which I might join next year both to assist suggestions and for my new years resolution of being more confident in my artistic abilities (especially as I'm halfway finished with my last year of high school before I go to a transition school))
There's also a bunch of earlier versions of animated films I feel are more interesting than the finished projects, with the brief comments about Wish being the tip of the iceberg, for example as a starter of a well known case; American Dog, but there is a lot more, such as Dinosaur being originally convinced in 1986 by Phil Tippet and, I kid you not, Paul Verhoeven, as a darker and naturalistic film without dialogue, the original plan for the 2013 Walking With Dinosaurs movie to also not have dialogue until an executive at Fox felt kids wouldn't like it (seriously, one of my biggest regrets in life is that I not only saw it in theaters with my family and one of my grandmas when I was 7; but actually enjoying it), a considerably more Don Bluth-inspired Alpha And Omega, some early drafts of Escape From Planet Earth before Harvey Weinstein... you know what joke I'm making already, a more high fantasy version of Luck, The original horror plot for Cool World, the more adult oriented, darker and less Disney/Don Bluth knock off version of Quest For Camelot (and also probably Eric Idle and Don Rickles' unused ad libs for the movie), the original concepts for Chicken Litte, the Biggering song from The Lorax, an early plot outline for Norm Of The North that at the very least made more sense than the finished product, and probably a lot more that I can't remember.
Also, in terms of movies that were made but were heavily screwed over, I think The Adventures Of Mark Twain, Delgo, Astro Boy and Little Nemo can qualify.
Rather surprised you've heard of Huck's Landing! Admittedly I had never heard of it until my friend came to me saying he just bought a box of VHS tapes from it. Also insane to hear you mention Hopper! I thought I was the only one that knew about it, it's definitely something I'll be looking deeper into later. As for Jack and Ben, that detail about Ben having a disability wasn't even known until I talked to the story's creator, Jorgen Klubein. I was really happy to include the information he gave me in the book, it seems it was never covered properly beforehand.
Astro Boy is definitely a good idea as well as Little Nemo. Mark Twain and Delgo I need to research deeper into before I decide if they'd be a good fit. If you have a Discord feel free to DM me, I won't shut up about this sorta thing.
By the way, I think one website (don’t remember the name) actually released an art book for B.O.O. Not sure if it’s still up, but last I checked, I think it costed 38 dollars.
Edit: I looked it up, and it is supposed to come out on the 27th this month. It actually costs 36 dollars. Here’s the image.
I've never seen this. This is so... strange. It's even listed on Amazon Japan and UK, but out of stock. What?? If it becomes available at Midtown Comics on the 27th like it says, I'll be the first buyer. Thanks for pointing this out!! This is... so strange.
Yeah. What’s interesting is that they never once even mentioned the films cancellation. In fact, they never even use the word once. That is strange. I’m guessing those people must either be from an alternate universe where this movie did come out, or (the more likely option) they have seen the movie, and probably just thought it came out or something.
I have simple needs, when I see a book about unmade/screwed over animated films written by a user with a David Bowie reference in their name and a Daredevil Dan pfp I pay attention. (I especially feel sad over the loss of The Dreaming Machine).
I'm legit kind of interested in these kind of "art of" books, even if I'm not much of a fan of the movie it's for in question (for example, I'll admit that some of the scrapped ideas mentioned in the Artbook for Wish are WAY more interesting than the film we actually got (if you know what I'm talking about, you know)) (As someone who wants to make animated films in the future I kind of feeling like stealing them for my own films)
I geniunely would like to say I know all about all of the films in the book so far, but I admittedly haven't heard of Captain Fantastic and I feel so stupid because had it been made, even though in terms of animated films featuring soundtrack work by Elton John I'd probably still prefer The Lion King, it sounds exactly like my kind of "did I imagine this" animated film looking at the concept art and Yellow Submarine comparisons.
And I also learned some more of some other films I've assumed I knew all there was to know of them, for example, as I mentioned earlier Dreaming Machine is a personal favorite of mine when bringing up unmade films, namely because of Satoshi Kon's 4 movies are among my personal favorites and also have a personal in joke with myself of between it (which would have been the counterpart to Robots obviously) and Tokyo Godfathers (a bit of a stretch, but equivelant to the first Ice Age in the injoke), Satoshi was planning on making darker counterparts of every Blue Sky film, but wasn't exactly aware of the "organic life being extinct" setting.
Similarly, while Wreck It Ralph has always been one of my favorite Disney movies, and I was aware for a while in it's origins in "Joe Jump", I didn't know exactly how radically different the two were plotwise and I'm quite interested in some of the concepts, (even if I admit, as a screenwriter; Jared Stern can be pretty hit or miss or just average).
Also I do know quite a bit about Jack And Ben as a Laika fan, but from what I've read before, the plot was some vague "sibling tale with birds" but reading it, as someone with autism, I'm mildly interested in the mentioned plot point of Jack having to look after Ben because of him appearantly being mentally disabled, it probably wouldn't be up therewith say, Mary And Max, but it definetly would be better than Music (I could go on a rant on how Mary And Max succeeds where Music fails and Music particulary being one of my most hated films ever but I want to keep this long post about the contents of the book). I'd say I'd also probably prefer what Jack And Ben would've looked like under Barry Cook's direction generally also.
I also herd about the main outline of Huck's Landing thank's to Cartoon Brew, but I particulary didn't know it was supposed to tie in to a theme park and all the concept art.
I personally can't wait for the future additions of stuff like Larrikins, Freaky Flickers, My Peoples, Wild Life, The Shadow King (I really hope it gets back into development like Henry Selick implied it would after Wendell And Wild), and of course, the crown jewel of unmade/screwed over animated films; The Thief And The Cobbler)
There's a lot of additional stuff I would suggest, like more of Don Bluth's unmade work beyond Dragons' Lair (it could probably be a book of itself), and Hopper (intended to be the first feature length CGI anime; but was canned because of Happy Feet and Surf's Up, as well as the collapse of Japan's economy) (Also both Hopper and Jack and Ben had concept art by an artist named Barry E Jackson who also designed the poster for Escape From New York, he also posts a lot of concept art for unmade films on his Instagram and appearantly talks about them in his Zoom art class which I might join next year both to assist suggestions and for my new years resolution of being more confident in my artistic abilities (especially as I'm halfway finished with my last year of high school before I go to a transition school))
There's also a bunch of earlier versions of animated films I feel are more interesting than the finished projects, with the brief comments about Wish being the tip of the iceberg, for example as a starter of a well known case; American Dog, but there is a lot more, such as Dinosaur being originally convinced in 1986 by Phil Tippet and, I kid you not, Paul Verhoeven, as a darker and naturalistic film without dialogue, the original plan for the 2013 Walking With Dinosaurs movie to also not have dialogue until an executive at Fox felt kids wouldn't like it (seriously, one of my biggest regrets in life is that I not only saw it in theaters with my family and one of my grandmas when I was 7; but actually enjoying it), a considerably more Don Bluth-inspired Alpha And Omega, some early drafts of Escape From Planet Earth before Harvey Weinstein... you know what joke I'm making already, a more high fantasy version of Luck, The original horror plot for Cool World, the more adult oriented, darker and less Disney/Don Bluth knock off version of Quest For Camelot (and also probably Eric Idle and Don Rickles' unused ad libs for the movie), the original concepts for Chicken Litte, the Biggering song from The Lorax, an early plot outline for Norm Of The North that at the very least made more sense than the finished product, and probably a lot more that I can't remember.
Also, in terms of movies that were made but were heavily screwed over, I think The Adventures Of Mark Twain, Delgo, Astro Boy and Little Nemo can qualify.
Rather surprised you've heard of Huck's Landing! Admittedly I had never heard of it until my friend came to me saying he just bought a box of VHS tapes from it. Also insane to hear you mention Hopper! I thought I was the only one that knew about it, it's definitely something I'll be looking deeper into later. As for Jack and Ben, that detail about Ben having a disability wasn't even known until I talked to the story's creator, Jorgen Klubein. I was really happy to include the information he gave me in the book, it seems it was never covered properly beforehand.
Astro Boy is definitely a good idea as well as Little Nemo. Mark Twain and Delgo I need to research deeper into before I decide if they'd be a good fit. If you have a Discord feel free to DM me, I won't shut up about this sorta thing.
I'll admit, scrolling through your to add lists the only films on it that I haven't heard of and couldn't find anything about were Neverhood (though it could refer to an adaptation of the Dreamworks game with Hatsune Miku - I mean Doug Tenapel), Argonauts, Moby Dick (there's like 1000 adaptations), Meerkats, Troll Story, Yoona, Flea Circus, Sunday Comics Capers and Snowman (which considering David Bowie did an introduction of THE Snowman for the HBO US version, kind of brings this full circle). Also while I was able to find info on Adventures of Elonah, namely because the name is less generic than the other titles, it was mostly just the trailer and some DeviantArt fanart of it which also makes me want do add it to the list of "how the hell do you know about it" (complimentary).
Last Edit: Dec 18, 2023 1:35:41 GMT by awesomereesee
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(And maybe also catch a concert from a certain other David born in January)
I'll admit, scrolling through your to add lists the only films on it that I haven't heard of and couldn't find anything about were Neverhood (though it could refer to an adaptation of the Dreamworks game with Hatsune Miku - I mean Doug Tenapel), Argonauts, Moby Dick (there's like 1000 adaptations), Meerkats, Troll Story, Yoona, Flea Circus, Sunday Comics Capers and Snowman (which considering David Bowie did an introduction of THE Snowman for the HBO US version, kind of brings this full circle). Also while I was able to find info on Adventures of Elonah, namely because the name is less generic than the other titles, it was mostly just the trailer and some DeviantArt fanart of it which also makes me want do add it to the list of "how the hell do you know about it" (complimentary).
Neverhood does indeed refer to an adaption of the game! Funnily enough, I don't know what Argonauts is. Maybe I was referring to the movie Argonuts? But that was released... Anyway, I stumbled upon Meerkats on Twitter, it was a Sony movie and I don't have much info about it outside of that. Troll Story is a complete mystery, I found some storyboards by Patrick Collins on his blog a while back and haven't been able to find anything else about it. I called Patrick but unfortunately he didn't get back to me. Hoping I can find out more! Yoona is another movie I only know about because of storyboards, specifically by Shawn Scott Palmer, a friend showed me that. Haven't looked into it yet other than that! Flea Circus I just learned about today, a Disney film from the 90s, that I haven't looked into at all and I have a feeling is very undocumented. Maximo Salazar on Twitter is the one that discovered that. Sunday Comics Capers only exists as a title and idea, it was going to be Thershold Studios' second animated film after Foodfight, but it didn't even get far enough for a script to be written. I only know about it because the logo is seen in the studio of Threshold around 2002. Snowman is a movie I found completely by accident, going through the resume of Sam Levine, director of Joe Jump, who listed Snowman as something he co-wrote with Christopher Williams. Currently, I have not been able to find any artwork from the film online, every lead from Sam was a dead end, and he only gave me a short synopsis of the story and told me to try and get in contact with Williams himself to hear it in detail. I have not been able to do so yet, unfortunately. As for The Adventures of Eloanah, I only know about that because the person that wrote about it on DeviantArt emailed me directly after the release of my book telling me about it. If it weren't for him, I'm sure I would have never discovered it.