Post by paramountcartoons on Jan 17, 2023 1:28:57 GMT
Since the original print has the commercials deleted the commercials except the opening and closing bumpers, I discovered Coca-Cola commercials on youtube (I downloaded them) that may (or may not) have been sourced from a second generation VHS transfer of the real original broadcast (archived from the Paley Center perchance?) that had the promotion that Coke oh-so-desperatly wanted to sponsor for a half-hour Peanuts special in 1965. The source was YT channel "Retro Rabbit Ears". It fits with the themes of the special and irony of sponsoring the special, so I had to learn an old version of Adobe Premerie that happened to be on my Mac. I added a 1965 WCBS-TV station ID, The Munsters premption notice (complete with radio bong!) and all the bumpers that were included before. I also added a credits voice-over reading over YouTuber (lurker?) Barry I. Gruahm's voice-over historical factual voice-over tidbit to make it historically accurate. The first ad after the Linus crashing into sign scene jumpcuts since Retro Rabbit Ears had a logo/intro before the ads faded in.
My voice is autistic, I can't do what "neurotypical" people did in radio mics.
Sadly, unless a complete version of the OB of the special WITH the commercials can be found, the real orginal print is lost to time and only the opening and closing bumpers survive.
I can't give you my recreation right now, but it is saved on my Mac as a .MOV file.
A “real original broadcast” is never going to be found as VCRs did not exist until the late 70’s. What is floating around online is a real 16mm print of the 1965 version of the special by itself. No commercials have ever been included or “deleted” from said print. A “print” is NOT a home recording OR a broadcast. It is and always was meant to be the special by itself, sent out to networks to broadcast with the commercials on separate prints. I suggest you do some actual research on the difference between prints of shows and commercials and home VHS recordings that include commercials.
What you have found on that “Retro Rabbit Ears” channel are prints of 1950’s Coca Cola commercials. Wrong era. The only Peanuts related thing that channel has posted is a 1987 MetLife ad with Snoopy.
The only known Coca Cola commercial that actually aired alongside the special is one with Charles Schulz thanking them for sponsoring the special which has not been found yet.
If you are going to make an accurate recreation you have to remember that a lot was changed after the first airing. You can find all the differences here: youtu.be/aeyLZHaGj3s
Last Edit: Jan 18, 2023 0:57:21 GMT by nostalgiaguy
Post by paramountcartoons on Jan 19, 2023 13:58:34 GMT
I DID use the original print of the body of my work, I just "simulated" what was broadcast that evening with what I could find.
Actually most Coke ads from the 1950s are in black and white- but CBS (and NBC) began broadcasting these color Coca-Cola ads in color in the 1960s. The CBS bumpers were recreated by someone who I will not mention as those were edited out as well in that.
Also that print was a workprint, not a kinescope or bicycle print used by CBS stations or its secondary affilates. The CBS bumpers were recreated.
Retro Rabbit Ears has old commercials from VHS tapes transferred FROM 16mm. I am still baffled on how he could find a clean copy of the first "Got Milk?" commercial, Aaron Burr, when no copy taped from 1993 in CA was taped on VHS to my knowledge.
I DID use the original print of the body of my work, I just "simulated" what was broadcast that evening with what I could find.
Actually most Coke ads from the 1950s are in black and white- but CBS (and NBC) began broadcasting these color Coca-Cola ads in color in the 1960s. The CBS bumpers were recreated by someone who I will not mention as those were edited out as well in that.
Also that print was a workprint, not a kinescope or bicycle print used by CBS stations or its secondary affilates. The CBS bumpers were recreated.
Retro Rabbit Ears has old commercials from VHS tapes transferred FROM 16mm. I am still baffled on how he could find a clean copy of the first "Got Milk?" commercial, Aaron Burr, when no copy taped from 1993 in CA was taped on VHS to my knowledge.
No, I’m sorry but that print of the special is NOT a “workprint”. There’s a big difference between animation and film workprints. If the actual print circulating online has a date on the reels you can tell how far along in the process it was made. An actual animation workprint would have the rough animation in pencil test before being inked and painted for the animators to use as reference. Check out the TNT Grinch documentary and you’ll see an example of this.
Another factor is that the original network promo for the special which featured Linus crashing into a “Danger!” sign before being changed to a Coca Cola sign in the broadcasted version of the special, as seen on the print that has been released online. If the 1965 print actually was a legitimate workprint it would have the former “Danger!” version instead.
What is shown on that print is how the special itself (outside of commercials and bumpers) aired in 1965, current versions show edits that were made the following year in 1966 according to Lee Mendelson to improve things a bit.
Last Edit: Jan 19, 2023 19:10:32 GMT by nostalgiaguy
Post by sakuraradiochan on Jan 20, 2023 12:47:09 GMT
There's a half chance that someone in 1965 was recording it off air with a videotape machine. Prosumer machines did exist at the time.
That being said I'm not quite sure what OP wants. A full kinescope from a TV station? Original prints have been found with the ads intact, according to the LMW article it was by OP.
>I am still baffled on how he could find a clean copy of the first "Got Milk?" commercial, Aaron Burr, when no copy taped from 1993 in CA was taped on VHS to my knowledge.
If it was broadcast on TV and on a mainstream popular program somebody recorded it, esp in 93 when VHS machines were one of the most common consumer electronic items.
There's a half chance that someone in 1965 was recording it off air with a videotape machine. Prosumer machines did exist at the time.
That being said I'm not quite sure what OP wants. A full kinescope from a TV station? Original prints have been found with the ads intact, according to the LMW article it was by OP.
>I am still baffled on how he could find a clean copy of the first "Got Milk?" commercial, Aaron Burr, when no copy taped from 1993 in CA was taped on VHS to my knowledge.
If it was broadcast on TV and on a mainstream popular program somebody recorded it, esp in 93 when VHS machines were one of the most common consumer electronic items.
What kind of "prosumer" machines existed at that time?
"oooh, you're a- a freaked out child in the woods..."
That being said I'm not quite sure what OP wants. A full kinescope from a TV station? Original prints have been found with the ads intact, according to the LMW article it was by OP.
They think they can find a print out there with all the commercials and bumpers intact somehow, not just the sponsor plugs. The print we have of the special hasn’t been edited nor is it a “workprint”, but they don’t want to believe that.
On a side note, regarding that LMW article it’s slightly inaccurate and I believe could use some updating. The Charlie Brown’s All Stars sponsor tags haven’t been fully found yet as we’re actually missing the end credit tags for the special. If you watch it today you’ll notice there’s a slight jump in the credit transitions where they used to be, similar to the Great Pumpkin.
Last Edit: Jan 20, 2023 13:41:30 GMT by nostalgiaguy
There's a half chance that someone in 1965 was recording it off air with a videotape machine. Prosumer machines did exist at the time.
That being said I'm not quite sure what OP wants. A full kinescope from a TV station? Original prints have been found with the ads intact, according to the LMW article it was by OP.
>I am still baffled on how he could find a clean copy of the first "Got Milk?" commercial, Aaron Burr, when no copy taped from 1993 in CA was taped on VHS to my knowledge.
If it was broadcast on TV and on a mainstream popular program somebody recorded it, esp in 93 when VHS machines were one of the most common consumer electronic items.
What kind of "prosumer" machines existed at that time?
Sony Portapak video camera. Technically portable at like 25 or 30 lbs. Some could accept input from a TV aerial or a TV set.
I've seen videos on Youtube that claim to be offair recordings using these early VTRs, and some that I think can only be that, like TV shows that weren't distributed on kinescope.
Yeah, this is Star Trek TOS, recorded off Channel 4 in Detroit.
Local Detroit/Windsor program, and for whatever reason a lot of these early videotape recordings (1965-1975) seem to come out of Detroit. To see a machine sort of like it technically in action, please consult this video
Anecdotally I can tell you that my mother saw a reel to reel VTR at a house party in the early 70s, but she wouldn't know the model of it and she didn't even get to see it in action, but was told it had been bought a few years before.
For some Japanese off air recordings from 1967, please view
That being said I'm not quite sure what OP wants. A full kinescope from a TV station? Original prints have been found with the ads intact, according to the LMW article it was by OP.
They think they can find a print out there with all the commercials and bumpers intact somehow, not just the sponsor plugs. The print we have of the special hasn’t been edited nor is it a “workprint”, but they don’t want to believe that.
On a side note, regarding that LMW article it’s slightly inaccurate and I believe could use some updating. The Charlie Brown’s All Stars sponsor tags haven’t been fully found yet as we’re actually missing the end credit tags for the special. If you watch it today you’ll notice there’s a slight jump in the credit transitions where they used to be, similar to the Great Pumpkin.
Yeah, hence my post about early VTRs. It's vaguely possible but not likely that someone recorded it as it was being aired by a local station; the kinescope/film would have had places for commercials and local station breaks.
They think they can find a print out there with all the commercials and bumpers intact somehow, not just the sponsor plugs. The print we have of the special hasn’t been edited nor is it a “workprint”, but they don’t want to believe that.
On a side note, regarding that LMW article it’s slightly inaccurate and I believe could use some updating. The Charlie Brown’s All Stars sponsor tags haven’t been fully found yet as we’re actually missing the end credit tags for the special. If you watch it today you’ll notice there’s a slight jump in the credit transitions where they used to be, similar to the Great Pumpkin.
Yeah, hence my post about early VTRs. It's vaguely possible but not likely that someone recorded it as it was being aired by a local station; the kinescope/film would have had places for commercials and local station breaks.
This clip here could possibly originate from a kinescope recording. It’s in black and white and has numerous artifacts like dirt and scratches.
Last Edit: Jan 22, 2023 18:19:05 GMT by nostalgiaguy