Why do you claim they were "sabotaging" the search? That just sounds like an excuse for your continued belief in it.
I claim they were sabotaging the search because that's what they did.
The "Saki OP" was proven to be a troll account that was solely created for the prank while Chris Able intentionally fabricated fake evidence to sabotage the search as part of some lame joke on his part.
It's not an excuse for my continued belief when sabotage is what happened and regardless of whether or not it's real, the fact that they intentionally lied (whether it be claiming they were the OP of a years-old thread or outright making fake screenshots in Able's case) and ruined any attempt at a legitimate search is what pisses me off.
Now, we'll never know since everyone took the stupid "hurr durr it's fake and I'm the OP" at face value despite the fact "Saki OP" was an obvious troll account.
Even if it is fake, the fact is that "Saki OP" was a liar/troll and so was Chris Able. Tbh, I think "Saki OP" was an alt account created by Chris Able.
I assumed it was fake long before that happened, it just sounds like far too many creepypastas that are now considered jokes.
I claim they were sabotaging the search because that's what they did.
The "Saki OP" was proven to be a troll account that was solely created for the prank while Chris Able intentionally fabricated fake evidence to sabotage the search as part of some lame joke on his part.
It's not an excuse for my continued belief when sabotage is what happened and regardless of whether or not it's real, the fact that they intentionally lied (whether it be claiming they were the OP of a years-old thread or outright making fake screenshots in Able's case) and ruined any attempt at a legitimate search is what pisses me off.
Now, we'll never know since everyone took the stupid "hurr durr it's fake and I'm the OP" at face value despite the fact "Saki OP" was an obvious troll account.
Even if it is fake, the fact is that "Saki OP" was a liar/troll and so was Chris Able. Tbh, I think "Saki OP" was an alt account created by Chris Able.
I assumed it was fake long before that happened, it just sounds like far too many creepypastas that are now considered jokes.
I get why you'd think that, but if you know about the 80's and 90's OVA boom and both what was popular at the time and how damn near any idea could get some kind of funding so long as it was edgy enough.
So a low-budget guro OVA with weird imagery like Go For A Punch isn't that out of the question, even if it comes off as a creepypasta to a more modern audience.
Even a lot of vanilla hentai, ecchi, and even regular seinen anime would include a lot of extra violence and gore back in the 80's and 90's, it was one of the things that made OVA's such a big deal at the time. Guro and ultra-violence was not out of the question back then.
It's sort of like the 1974 lost film HIM, where the premise sounds rather ridiculous by modern standards but wouldn't be that out of place in the weird world of 1970's porno flicks.
For the longest time, a lot of people in the early online lost media scene thought HIM was fake until some old print ads were uncovered that did prove its existence, with reviews from magazines and a production still found later and lending further credence.
The one thing that sounds the most "creepypasta" is him claiming he was looking for anime on the deep web but that can be explained easily. He claims he found it in 2011 when he was a teenager.
A lot of dumb teenagers back in the late 2000's/early 2010's acted as if the clearnet piracy and torrent sites were the same as finding stuff on the actual dark web. I graduated high school in 2011.
That mindset was a lingering holdover of the "You wouldn't download a car" insanity and stuff like the infamous Megaupload raid and the uproar over SOPPA and PIPA around the same time added fuel to the fire.
I can easily see a clueless teen in 2011 thinking he's on some dark site when he's really just on some third-rate torrent site that's found on a Google search. The fact he downloaded an old edgy OVA from the 80's or early 90's cements that in his memory.
Even so there's still very little evidence to back up that this thing exists so i'm not holding my breath on it being real. I mean it sounds a lot Squidward's Suicide in tone so you can understand why people are skeptical of it being real.
I assumed it was fake long before that happened, it just sounds like far too many creepypastas that are now considered jokes.
I get why you'd think that, but if you know about the 80's and 90's OVA boom and both what was popular at the time and how damn near any idea could get some kind of funding so long as it was edgy enough.
So a low-budget guro OVA with weird imagery like Go For A Punch isn't that out of the question, even if it comes off as a creepypasta to a more modern audience.
Even a lot of vanilla hentai, ecchi, and even regular seinen anime would include a lot of extra violence and gore back in the 80's and 90's, it was one of the things that made OVA's such a big deal at the time. Guro and ultra-violence was not out of the question back then.
It's sort of like the 1974 lost film HIM, where the premise sounds rather ridiculous by modern standards but wouldn't be that out of place in the weird world of 1970's porno flicks.
For the longest time, a lot of people in the early online lost media scene thought HIM was fake until some old print ads were uncovered that did prove its existence, with reviews from magazines and a production still found later and lending further credence.
The one thing that sounds the most "creepypasta" is him claiming he was looking for anime on the deep web but that can be explained easily. He claims he found it in 2011 when he was a teenager.
A lot of dumb teenagers back in the late 2000's/early 2010's acted as if the clearnet piracy and torrent sites were the same as finding stuff on the actual dark web. I graduated high school in 2011.
That mindset was a lingering holdover of the "You wouldn't download a car" insanity and stuff like the infamous Megaupload raid and the uproar over SOPPA and PIPA around the same time added fuel to the fire.
I can easily see a clueless teen in 2011 thinking he's on some dark site when he's really just on some third-rate torrent site that's found on a Google search. The fact he downloaded an old edgy OVA from the 80's or early 90's cements that in his memory.
The difference between HIM and Saki is that no real evidence has surfaced, no copyright listings or criminal charges or ratings or cels or anything that can be proven to be from the OVA has surfaced. All your points here are broad surface level speculation that doesn't prove anything
"oooh, you're a- a freaked out child in the woods..."
I really have no idea why people are obsessed with wanting to see some anime girls die in a bathroom. There's plenty of other messed up and weird OVAs from the 1980s... ones that actually exist, LOL
Anyways, I'm really partial to Gegege no Kitaro stuff, so I would love for the "Ominous Sky! Yokai Castle" Kyoto Theater short to be discovered someday. For some reason, it wasn't included in the 1996 anime DVD Box Set. Maybe because the formatting itself was weird? (It was a 70mm film from what I remember) but I have no idea.
I really have no idea why people are obsessed with wanting to see some anime girls die in a bathroom. There's plenty of other messed up and weird OVAs from the 1980s... ones that actually exist, LOL
Yeah i'm personally way more invested in finding an uncut version of Fist of the North Star.
The difference between HIM and Saki is that no real evidence has surfaced, no copyright listings or criminal charges or ratings or cels or anything that can be proven to be from the OVA has surfaced. All your points here are broad surface level speculation that doesn't prove anything
Well...see then you have the counterpoint of stuff like Super Giles/Gasoline Boy which had literally ZERO evidence it existed and basically sounded like an online joke, until someone found what is likely the only remaining copy in English left, purely by accident. There just really are things that obscure.
The reason a lot of people, and frankly I'm in that camp, believe it exists is because of things like Gasoline Boy, and in my case my own experience with looking for an MTV special for 20+ years and having a friend on reddit randomly find a single scene from it. Things really are that far out sometimes.
If I had to figure, it wasn't "deep web" it was probably that the guy who found it (who likely was too young to vote) found an anime piracy site with some obscure titles and assumed piracy=spooky deep web.
The difference between HIM and Saki is that no real evidence has surfaced, no copyright listings or criminal charges or ratings or cels or anything that can be proven to be from the OVA has surfaced. All your points here are broad surface level speculation that doesn't prove anything
IIRC, HIM only had a one-off mention in Medved's Golden Turkey book as the proof of its existence for the longest time and Medved even said one of the entries was a fake.
The evidence that corroborated HIM's existence along with Medved himself saying Dog of Norway was the fake film didn't emerge until many years later.
Supposedly, some people on the Sakisan No Bashitsu subreddit have found some rather interesting Google search trends that predate 2011 which might possibly confirm its existence, the earliest goes back to 2004.
However, it'll need some further searching to see if it goes anywhere.
The overall callous attitude of the lost media community (thanks to Saki OP and Chris Able) and the general nature of the Japanese internet makes it a lot harder.
Unlike the Chris Able stuff, where he used a real-life long defunct site as a way to make a decent-looking fake lead, this Google search data is trickier to fake but we'll see where it goes.
Either way, I'll respectfully agree to disagree with you on Go For A Punch's existence.
I thought the Japanese side sad they have never heard of it until recently. That's a big reason why I declare it fake. Anyway, I still want the complete 4kids ultraman Tiga dub to be rereleased. I wish some YouTuber would latch on to this topic.
I thought the Japanese side sad they have never heard of it until recently. That's a big reason why I declare it fake. Anyway, I still want the complete 4kids ultraman Tiga dub to be rereleased. I wish some YouTuber would latch on to this topic.
The Japanese side of the internet likely never heard of it for the same reasons that they probably never heard of things like Blue Flame, Vampire Wars, or countless other obscure OVA's from the 80's and 90's.
The only way we know about those two is that they got lucky enough to have surviving copies and, in the case of Vampire Wars, also got a campy licensed dub in the Anglosphere, which also helps in spite of its obscurity.
There were a fuckton of these things made on minimalist budgets at the time by small-time companies and this was doubly true of anything related to hentai, ecchi, guro, or extreme seinen horror.
If it was done by a very small-time company that didn't get bought out by a bigger company later on and didn't get any official licensing anywhere else, it could have very well become hyper-obscure even in Japan.
I thought the Japanese side sad they have never heard of it until recently. That's a big reason why I declare it fake. Anyway, I still want the complete 4kids ultraman Tiga dub to be rereleased. I wish some YouTuber would latch on to this topic.
The Japanese side of the internet likely never heard of it for the same reasons that they probably never heard of things like Blue Flame, Vampire Wars, or countless other obscure OVA's from the 80's and 90's.
The only way we know about those two is that they got lucky enough to have surviving copies and, in the case of Vampire Wars, also got a campy licensed dub in the Anglosphere, which also helps in spite of its obscurity.
There were a fuckton of these things made on minimalist budgets at the time by small-time companies and this was doubly true of anything related to hentai, ecchi, guro, or extreme seinen horror.
If it was done by a very small-time company that didn't get bought out by a bigger company later on and didn't get any official licensing anywhere else, it could have very well become hyper-obscure even in Japan.
still sounds way too much like a bad creepypasta for me to believe it exists.
I thought the Japanese side sad they have never heard of it until recently. That's a big reason why I declare it fake. Anyway, I still want the complete 4kids ultraman Tiga dub to be rereleased. I wish some YouTuber would latch on to this topic.
The Japanese side of the internet likely never heard of it for the same reasons that they probably never heard of things like Blue Flame, Vampire Wars, or countless other obscure OVA's from the 80's and 90's.
The only way we know about those two is that they got lucky enough to have surviving copies and, in the case of Vampire Wars, also got a campy licensed dub in the Anglosphere, which also helps in spite of its obscurity.
There were a fuckton of these things made on minimalist budgets at the time by small-time companies and this was doubly true of anything related to hentai, ecchi, guro, or extreme seinen horror.
If it was done by a very small-time company that didn't get bought out by a bigger company later on and didn't get any official licensing anywhere else, it could have very well become hyper-obscure even in Japan.
Yeah, no. Are you familiar with otaku circles from the time? Even the most rancid OVAs you can think of had some sort of coverage in a magazine. During the 80s, OVAs were just in their infancy, so whenever a new one came out it would get SOME sort of coverage, even if it was pornographic or gory. Of course, mainstream magazines aren’t going to cover straight up porn, but magazines aimed at otaku would’ve had ads for this sort of stuff. I’m serious when I mean that EVERYTHING would get some sort of coverage, including stuff like l*licon. Unless Saki was so underground that it was directly inside the Earth’s core, there’s no way that a bunch of otaku from this time period would choose not to talk about it.
Post by thatgamingasshole on Oct 5, 2022 6:05:40 GMT
I don't think it was somehow underground, but I can say that basically I think it probably was something akin y to HIM; allow me to elucidate, what I mean is that it probably did have coverage, maybe equally extensive, but even for HIM that coverage was essentially like an ad here there, not actually VHS preview trailers or something before an episode of Urusei Yatsura. And keep in mind we don't know what the actual title is, because I guarantee you it's not actually "go for a punch," but it probably was that clip, which likely wasn't the complete film, was called that.
To kind of put forth what I'm talking about here I've literally seen stuff that was from essentially these like fan translated or fan-dub Manga and anime that were presented as having some title for that file but when you actually look this thing up or you're able to find any information on it the title is so different that you stand there with your mouth agape, trying to figure out how the heyll that file or that image or video or something got that title. So my best guess? Honestly it sounds like somebody made this thing, it was a fairly obscure OVA and when getting coverage it probably got coverage under its actual name and whoever (quotation marks) found it, found some outside source or a fan dub or something like that, a fan translation etc, that was titled go for a punch but I don't think anyone genuinely believes that's the title.
One other thing that I think is key to point out here is that to be perfectly blunt there are so many things that were you know as you correctly pointed out essentially snuff or CP that were released at the time it's entirely within reason that frankly people have already found this thing but haven't directly identified it, so it's really more in my opinion a matter of figuring out which thing it is then where is... Like cameraheads where somebody found a picture of video or something and they assumed there was some sort of mystery as to what it was but it literally was just that so yeah.
For all we know is floating around gogoanime.
But you know that's just a theory. A game theory.😏