But yeah...why does it seem like there are no articles for books and writing on this site? Aside from this infamous collection of sci-fi short stories, there is the Q document listed in a recent poll of fave unconfirmed media, Ab Urbe Condita (an extended history of Ancient Rome), and so much more. By far the most numerous and varied lost media throughout all of history is written text--I feel one of this site's goals should be expanding to include this medium.
I would assume that it is because there is not a proper definition of what literature should be included. Passion projects (like essays that you my have written at a younger age) may have to be included in the definitions, and imagine what would happen if that came into play.
I would assume that it is because there is not a proper definition of what literature should be included. Passion projects (like essays that you my have written at a younger age) may have to be included in the definitions, and imagine what would happen if that came into play.
Books should be covered. I remember buying a copy of an old book at a garage sale because it looked interesting, and I can't find it anywhere online or any reviews.
I would assume that it is because there is not a proper definition of what literature should be included. Passion projects (like essays that you my have written at a younger age) may have to be included in the definitions, and imagine what would happen if that came into play.
There's a HUGE, HUGE difference between a novel by a famous writer that was never finished, such as F Scott Fitzgerald's The Love of the Last Tycoon, or the early drafts of Ernest Hemingway's works which were stolen, or Homer's first epic poem which is lost to time, and "passion projects" by some nobody on the internet. To even compare them is an insult. Just because we open up the domain of books/text to write articles for does not mean that suddenly every text by every human who ever lived must get an article. Lost video and audio are currently covered by this wiki, yet every garage band's first "lost" recordings are not written up as articles on here--and for good reason. With all due respect, Im not sure how this is a valid argument to not include texts on the wiki. I enjoy, and see the merit in saving, some cartoon shorts like Clock Man as much as anyone. But the lost works of Shakespeare (Cardenio) and the Bible (Book of the Battles of Yahweh being just one example) are far more deserving to be included on here. There are works from some of the greatest minds in history and/or associated with cultural traditions which formed the basis of storytelling itself (the Bible and Homer are the bedrock of Western literary tradition). It's completely asinine to dismiss them based on some vague hypothetical where irrelevant articles might be created as well.
I would assume that it is because there is not a proper definition of what literature should be included. Passion projects (like essays that you my have written at a younger age) may have to be included in the definitions, and imagine what would happen if that came into play.
There's a HUGE, HUGE difference between a novel by a famous writer that was never finished, such as F Scott Fitzgerald's The Love of the Last Tycoon, or the early drafts of Ernest Hemingway's works which were stolen, or Homer's first epic poem which is lost to time, and "passion projects" by some nobody on the internet. To even compare them is an insult. Just because we open up the domain of books/text to write articles for does not mean that suddenly every text by every human who ever lived must get an article. Lost video and audio are currently covered by this wiki, yet every garage band's first "lost" recordings are not written up as articles on here--and for good reason. With all due respect, Im not sure how this is a valid argument to not include texts on the wiki. I enjoy, and see the merit in saving, some cartoon shorts like Clock Man as much as anyone. But the lost works of Shakespeare (Cardenio) and the Bible (Book of the Battles of Yahweh being just one example) are far more deserving to be included on here. There are works from some of the greatest minds in history and/or associated with cultural traditions which formed the basis of storytelling itself (the Bible and Homer are the bedrock of Western literary tradition). It's completely asinine to dismiss them based on some vague hypothetical where irrelevant articles might be created as well.
Sorry about that. You are right.
I must have been "overly rationalising" again. I do that far too often and am trying to stop it.
There's a HUGE, HUGE difference between a novel by a famous writer that was never finished, such as F Scott Fitzgerald's The Love of the Last Tycoon, or the early drafts of Ernest Hemingway's works which were stolen, or Homer's first epic poem which is lost to time, and "passion projects" by some nobody on the internet. To even compare them is an insult. Just because we open up the domain of books/text to write articles for does not mean that suddenly every text by every human who ever lived must get an article. Lost video and audio are currently covered by this wiki, yet every garage band's first "lost" recordings are not written up as articles on here--and for good reason. With all due respect, Im not sure how this is a valid argument to not include texts on the wiki. I enjoy, and see the merit in saving, some cartoon shorts like Clock Man as much as anyone. But the lost works of Shakespeare (Cardenio) and the Bible (Book of the Battles of Yahweh being just one example) are far more deserving to be included on here. There are works from some of the greatest minds in history and/or associated with cultural traditions which formed the basis of storytelling itself (the Bible and Homer are the bedrock of Western literary tradition). It's completely asinine to dismiss them based on some vague hypothetical where irrelevant articles might be created as well.
Sorry about that. You are right.
I must have been "overly rationalising" again. I do that far too often and am trying to stop it.
Its ok. For my part, Im sorry if I came off too harsh. I was just shocked that books weren't already a thing, and when there are articles about Mongolian dubs for Dragonball GX the argument that books would be taking things too far made me lose it there for a second. My bad.
In short, there aren't many articles on books simply because not many people have written articles on books. There's a specific section for them though, there's nothing stopping people from writing such articles (quite the contrary), so feel free to help contribute!
At one point I was actually planning on writing an article on The Telegony (the lost sequel to The Iliad and The Odyssey), but I ended up having to put it on the backburner for now, since it would be such a big undertaking. In general that's why articles on "recent" media are more abundant, it takes a lot less research to make sure they're complete and accurate.
Also, you keep alluding to articles on obscure dubs... is that just because you've seen others doing it in the past? Because we've already gone ahead and deleted almost everything that wasn't the original audio or an English dub, so there's not really anything left to complain about in that regard (unlike a certain other wiki which has a specific section for dubs, which is filled with literal hundreds of articles)
In short, there aren't many articles on books simply because not many people have written articles on books. There's a specific section for them though, there's nothing stopping people from writing such articles (quite the contrary), so feel free to help contribute!
At one point I was actually planning on writing an article on The Telegony (the lost sequel to The Iliad and The Odyssey), but I ended up having to put it on the backburner for now, since it would be such a big undertaking. In general that's why articles on "recent" media are more abundant, it takes a lot less research to make sure they're complete and accurate.
Also, you keep alluding to articles on obscure dubs... is that just because you've seen others doing it in the past? Because we've already gone ahead and deleted almost everything that wasn't the original audio or an English dub, so there's not really anything left to complain about in that regard (unlike a certain other wiki which has a specific section for dubs, which is filled with literal hundreds of articles)
My apologies then. This only just came to my attention now because I wanted to see what this wiki had to say about The Last Dangerous Visions, only to see that there was no article. That struck me as odd since it's perhaps the most infamous lost book of the 20th century. I went to the request article page to petition for its creation...and saw there was no section there for books or texts. I tried searching for a few more well known examples and found none, so I assumed books were being ignored. My mistake. I hope this thread encourages more people to write articles about them then. I'll try to do so as well if I have the chance.
And yes, I was referring more to the state of things here and the old wikia from the past. I mostly read the articles back in August and that time period. Since I stopped following the wiki for awhile, and since Ive come back I've mostly been on the forums.
Books should be covered. I remember buying a copy of an old book at a garage sale because it looked interesting, and I can't find it anywhere online or any reviews.
Post by scifirenegade on Sept 12, 2020 21:21:32 GMT
The original book that spawned the Aasi Morso ja Mouru can be considered lost for example. Not that the LMW cares, since it's not mainstream, but ya know. Put it out there.
Just vibin' here. Thanks to everyone who edited the Requiem for a Heavyweight article in terms of grammar. We made it to featured!