While looking for results for "Le Grenier de Bisou", I came across what appears to be a resume for a "Bernard Bourret". His profession is listed as a Production Manager, but for the show, he seems to be listed as "Other" whatever that means. It provides his email, so I'll try to get in touch with him. Here's the links I found, though I believe the "II" at the end of the name was a mistake of some sorts:
Whoaa i thought for sure we hit a dead end with this thread ages ago! Good to see an update!! I was expecting footage to be more familiar but i guess not, though i still have a feeling i seen it at some point though
Whoaa i thought for sure we hit a dead end with this thread ages ago! Good to see an update!! I was expecting footage to be more familiar but i guess not, though i still have a feeling i seen it at some point though
(My apologies for making it long, slight recap, as well as new findings)
Not at all. While searching the French variant of the show on Google, I hit this:
This is the resume for a woman by the name of Angie Winstl, and holy crap does she ever have a lot of experience. She's helped with The Incredible Hulk, worked with Guillermo del Torro, has helped create the stories of other Canadian cartoons, and so much more.
However, the way in which her resume is formatted helps us phenomenally. The French name of Beezoo's Attic (Le Grenier de Bisou) appears on her resume, and if you take a look, we have hit a Jackpot. It gives us the name of the Producer (Louise Shekter), the name of the Production Manager (Bernard Bourrett), the name of a Production Assistant (Angie Winstl herself), as well as the head company behind all of this, TVO (TVOntario).
I believe we were asking the wrong company in the beginning. Perhaps our best bet in recovering the show is to contact TVOntario rather than Treehouse, YTV, or Corus. However, it is also worth noting that in Fred Stinson's resume, it lists the producer as "Media Solutions".
Seeing as to how a Google search for "TVO" automatically brings up a television producer, and how "Media Solutions" brings up little, I decided that the Angie's resume was more reliable than Fred's concerning finding the producer's name. I found an IMDb page about her, and SURPRISE, we find out that she was a director of the beloved Canadian Children's Show, "Dudley the Dragon". Interestingly enough, the Dudley the Dragon Wikipedia page tells that Louise Shekter was the French Director of the show, therefore implying that, like Dudley the Dragon, there are truly both French and English versions of the show (Beezoo's Attic being English, and Le Grenier de Bisou being French) rather than what appears on the given game site being either a knockoff or dub of the English version.
Speaking of which, the host of the game is actually a television network of sorts in itself. The game has a feature where one can actually check showtimes of the show on the host site, TFO, which is an educational organization that plans to educate in French, and offers it's own Television service. Seeing as to how the game redirects to show schedules and appears to ask the user to search the name of the show, it's entirely possible that TFO is, or at at one point in time was, in possession of video from the show.
I have found many references online, and with what we've found thus far, it appears as if these people are involved in the production of Beezoo's Attic/Le Grenier de Bisou:
TVOntario: tvo.org Groupe Media TFO: tfo.org Treehouse TV YTV "Media Solutions" (Existence disputed) Corus Entertainment
Contacting each of these individuals and companies, especially TVOntario and TFO, may be our best bet for recovering this show. I'll keep looking things up, and keep you guys up to date. However, any help would be much appreciated.
I sent TVO an email, and they directed me to their archives. However, unfortunately, there was no Beezoo's Attic.
However, I did take a look at the archive page of TVO through the WayBackMachine. They have been adding new shows and whatnot slowly but surely, so it's entirely possible that they may release Beezoo's Attic soon by themselves.
In the email, TVO stated to me that they do keep their past programs in their archives, meaning that footage of Beezoo's Attic most likely exists in their hands.
In the meantime, I'll try to contact other companies and individuals involved in the making of the show to see if they have footage.
I looked pretty deeply into some programming logs, and eventually found that the show used to air on on Tele-Quebec. This schedule shows that they were airing it in the Baie-Trinite area on CIVF/Channel 12 at 6:30 am on Sundays around 2000. Perhaps they might have some footage?
Found that already. It was uploaded back in September, and the person who uploaded it, Gloryosky, led us to discovering the more known French version, which even has it's own flash website.
So remember the CDROM found on WorldCat? Apparently that's just the website currently up, but TFO made it so that parents that had computers but no internet can have their kids play on the site just as much as kids who do.
Unfortunately seems like there's nothing too special from that.
Now I know it's been a long time since the last post to this thread was made regarding finding a series about a puppet of the same character. However, of course, this seems as if it's a different series of it's own, while still noteworthy nonetheless, and that's been known for a time now in the Discord server for those who mostly frequent the forums.
So why am I bringing this thread up now over two years later? Well, when I was actively looking for the show back in late 2017 and early 2018, I came across a flash website for the French variant Le Grenier de Bisou. I've recently been curating flash games with the guys down at BlueMaxima's Flashpoint project, and remembered the website being Flash, so I decided to work on curating that rather recently.
Now something that's caught my eye while curating the site is that all the assets have file dates from July 2014. Now, of course, I decided to double-check with the WayBack Machine since sometimes file dates can be made incorrect as I've seen with some CD's auto-dating their files to a specific date in 1994. However, this did not appear to be the case as the earliest capture of the site on WayBack was in 2015.
Now that had me confused, surely TFO wouldn't be putting a flash game on their site in 2014 for a show that finished airing in 2002, over a decade later. I remembered a French CD-ROM guide I came across, and that was dated 2002, which mentioned the flash site, but under a different site domain, and sure enough the earliest capture of that site was in 2001, and I'll let the differences speak for themselves:
Clearly the current site (top image) is much different from the earliest capture in 2001 (bottom image). After looking through redirects, I found that the earliest date the current flash game/site was in use was in October of 2003. Any captures before that month go to different, older versions TFO had.
Now, if the CD-ROM that had the contents of the flash game was copyright dated 2002, to me it's possible that the CD-ROM in question would have some contents different to those of the current flash game. As to what specifically those contents may be, it appears going off of this page here that a few of the contents may be the same, but just organized in a different layout, which is also hinted by the aforementioned teacher's guide which lists activities such as karaoke and present opening, both of which are mini-games in the current site.
However, this is not to confuse this earlier CD-ROM with those that followed and were distributed to Ontario Public Schools as welcome kits in later years (as described in this 2007 newsletter on page 5), where it would be much more likely the contents completely match with the site we see today (further shown by the final page of this publication by the National Commission of Francophone Parents from 2004)
So basically, as a TL;DR, this CD-ROM from 2002, if found, could possibly have information we haven't seen yet, or could just be what we already know. Either way, I personally think this may be interesting to look out for.
So you know what is Funny. This show was streaming on demand in 2014. So when people were talking about it being lost I was watching it . And I use to make fun of it with my little brother because it was very corny. Somebody contacted the network that showed Beezoo’s attic. And they said the show is full documented but they are working on uploading it to a platform. So basically no streaming service was interested in buying it and the show is now considered too outdated to be played on cable. Because kids puppets shows are now considered outdated.
Last Edit: Jul 12, 2023 14:38:36 GMT by maemaemaebae